From bf821 at lafn.org  Fri Aug 20 02:21:17 2010
From: bf821 at lafn.org (Matt Oliphant & Nancy Pistole)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:21:17 -0700
Subject: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
Message-ID: <a06240819c893dd09ec3e@[192.168.1.106]>

Werner, Kai, and Terry

Got too busy today to try loosening the line (carefully) going to the 
cylinder. I'm going out of town for a week--I'll try it when I get 
back. Thanks for the info.

Matt


From kashmirsingh at telkomsa.net  Fri Aug 20 05:33:58 2010
From: kashmirsingh at telkomsa.net (Kashmir Singh)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:33:58 +0200
Subject: [MOG] Hub Issues
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1282237201.6314.mog_tx4x4.com@tx4x4.com>
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Moggers,

Greetings from South Africa.

I have been out of circulation and just caught up with the issues from
everyone.

One point on the Hub Seal dilemma. Chatting to my colleague Tony Bettasso
(404/416)we established that the newer Landrovers have a synthetic grease to
lubricate the swivel housings. Have any moggers used synthethic grease and
could someone with more experience comment.

Kash Singh
406/416 Durban-South Africa

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Electrical question, power for timing light (William Mesce)
   2. Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc. (Michael Hiscox)
   3. Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO (William Caid)
   4. Re: Need to do some learnin' @ NWMF (Tony Day)
   5. Best route to NWMF (David Ashley)
   6. Re: Best route to NWMF (terry lane)
   7. Re: Best route to NWMF (David Ashley)
   8. Re: Best route to NWMF (terry lane)
   9. Re: Best route to NWMF (Brandon)
  10. Re: Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc. (Trevor V)
  11. Re: Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc. (Paul)
  12. Re: Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc. (Trevor V)
  13. Re: Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc. (ALnDNESE at aol.com)
  14. Re: Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc. (Michael Hiscox)
  15. Re: Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO (n7mog at msn.com)
  16. Re: Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO (n7mog at msn.com)
  17. Re: ETERNALLY RECURRING QUESTION (Joe O'Bremski)
  18. Re: Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO (Jack Miles)
  19. telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
      (Matt Oliphant & Nancy Pistole)
  20. Re: telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem (Werner Roden)
  21. Re: telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
      (Serrano, Kai              HS)
  22. Re: telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem (terry lane)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:13:57 -0400
From: William Mesce <williamdm47 at msn.com>
To: mog <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Electrical question, power for timing light
Message-ID: <SNT125-W29D309EA470FE9C527DF19B49D0 at phx.gbl>
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Joe,
When I tried using a 3rd battery without the negitive leads bonded (straped)
together, I ended up with very inconsistent results.
Some time the timing light would flash, most time it wouldn't. I bought
another timing light and got the same results.
 
Someone on the list told me about the negitive bond thing and put my world
back in order.
 
Great List, great info,  great friends...
 
Vietnam Bill
68 404.1
 
 
 
 
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:10:29 -0600
> From: history at frii.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.comnegitives 
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Electrical question, power for timing light
> 
> To power my timing light for MOG tuning, I just pull up my other truck,
> leave it running, and use its 
> battery as my power supply. I've not grounded them together, but I get
> reasonable results.
> Not sure what would happen if I did ground them together... would it
> work? would it produce a 
> mog/toyota cross breed?
> Joe
> 404.114 Cheyenne WY.
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:36:15 -0700
From: "Michael Hiscox" <mhiscox01 at comcast.net>
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: [MOG] Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc.
Message-ID: <7B91C5B6CB264D62A6256337285C460C at MHISCOX290>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

Paul sent me a question last night about Camper Mog which is likely of
general interest, so I figured I'd post my response . . . 

"Hi Mike: Out of curiosity. How much are you hoping to get? Paul"

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------

Thanks for the question, Paul. Been quieter than I'd have liked on this
topic. Maybe everyone's just waiiting for MogFest.

As-is, where-is, $10K will cover what I've got in it. I'd want about $13K if
I leave the new owner my generator, inverter, expensive 12/24 V battery
charger, all my tools, etc.

If I get stuck doing the engine rebuild and install and other small
commissioning tasks, I assume it will go back on the market at something
over $40K, given the new paint, seats, etc. and up-to-spec engine.

Of note to a small segment of people, the cabin by itself is valuable--heck,
Unicat sells one the same size for 160,0000 Euros ;-)--so if you want the
truck and not the cabin, we should talk, and if you want the cabin and not
the truck, we should talk. By far, though, highest and best use is as an
intact long-distance expedition motorhome.

Finally, I know where to get a good condition rebuildable engine if a
prospective buyer does not.

Thanks for the interest,

Mike Hiscox


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:46:00 -0600
From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO
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Moggers:

We are "taking care of business" here in CO.  We have visited many folks
including local moggers like Ron DePugh.

I have posted new photos on
http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part29/Part29.html that
include some interesting truck photos.

We are heading east from here, back to see Rob Pickering in La Junta and
from there, southwest back to San Diego.  We will not be attending NWMF, it
is just too far to go in a short time.  But, to those who attend, please
give our regards to all.

Happy Mogging!

Best,

bc


Bill Caid
bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
(c) 619-994-0458






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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:22:56 -0400
From: Tony Day <quarkz at email.com>
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] Need to do some learnin' @ NWMF
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Thanx for the reply Jim,

I am hoping to be to Waldersee by early afternoon on Thursday.

The best (read as easiest) way I see this coming into existence is:

I will get a three sided white board and dry erase supplies, some blue 
painters taper, some seating, some beer (for instructors), popcorn with 
a hot air popper, and some fliers to add to the NWMF handout propaganda.

The white board will act on one side as both a sign up board for 
teaching and taking the classes as well as class suggestions, one side 
as a teaching easel and the last side as a general information kiosk, 
sign up for trail rides genreal point of interest.

Lastly I would ask if anyone would like to lead a how to class, don't 
be shy, share your knowledge it will be good for the hobby.  You can 
contact me off-list at quarkz at att.blackberry.net

My ideas from before for classes are:

1) Carburetor basics - cleaning, tuning, upgrades, Zenith NDIX carb or 
others, single dual setups, tweaks

2) Timing basics - how to use a 12V timing light w/ 24V system, what & 
where is TDC, &how many degrees BTDC do I really need

3) Brakes - How to service, adjust, adjust the parking brake, refurbish 
brake cylinder (I can do part of this one, does anyoine have and air 
assist unit that can be dissassembled for display?)

4) Pimp my Mog - upgrades, high compression heads, pertronix, crawler 
gears, tires and rims,

5)Trail Knowledge - Safety, Do's & Don'ts, winching for those around 
you, lockers, how to approach obstacles, what equipment should I have, 
leave no trace / tread lightly tail etiquette. what damage can a water 
crossing do to me?

Or if there is something else someone wants to address email me at 
quarkz at att.blackberry.net

If you want to learn show up to a session, even if there are no 
"Xperts" we can discuss and still learn from each other.

Off to get supplies.  Woo Hoo!

Tony Day
Kennewick, WA
66' TLF-8

  If you want to find me on site I am going to be where I was last year, 
down by the river entrance, and this is my mog

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2022848770105505321aZkaLl


-----Original Message-----
From: James Molloy <walderse at viclink.com>
To: 'Mog Mailing List' <mog at tx4x4.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [MOG] Need to do some learnin' @ NWMF


Tony,

It is my belief that all the trucks are a secondary benefit of any NWMF
event. It is the people who attend and their interactions that make this
such an interesting and enjoyable activity. Even when we are faced with
unexpected change or the occasional inappropriate behaving individual, 
the
strength, adaptability, ingenuity and caring people in this group of
individuals demonstrate is...priceless.

Like this mailing list, the collective fund of knowledge of those at 
NWMF is
staggering. I spent time yesterday morning with a retired Dutch 
electrical
engineer/business administration university professor bringing a four
element generator-driven light tower back to full function. An 
absolutely
beautiful metal sculpture was being created by and artist who was also
mowing out posrtons of teh obstacle course with our tractor. Later, 
several
of the staff were tweaking the projector for our outdoor theater. We 
even
discussed the soon-to-be-unveiled kleinmantisgelandewagen. The number of
ideas that get generated here when people start pinging off of each 
other is
amazing.

Great ideas are always welcome at NWMF but our unwritten rule for some 
time
has been that someone must take responsibility for making such an idea 
bear
fruit. Every one of your ideas mentioned below is great. Had you been 
on the
farm yesterday, you would have seen no less that five 404s (one with an
OM617A turbo-diesel conversion) being tweaked and otherwise made ready 
for
the upcoming event. There is a very strong collective knowledge base 
already
on the farm right now and if will grow even stronger as the next few 
days
pass.

My suggestion would be that you take on the responsibility of bringing 
this
idea of an Unimog 404 classroom to maturity. I certainly would have 
welcomed
such an resource for information when I was first getting started with 
my
trucks. Two possibilities are to: 1) poll the members on this list as 
to who
will be attending NWMF and would be willing to be involved in this type 
of
training and 2) arrive at Waldersee Farm/NWMF as soon as possible so the
logistics can be coordinated. We just printed off out hand drawn (thank 
you
Ryan Gerrish) maps of the farm yesterday for distribution as people 
arrive.
Knowing ASAP where and when you would like to have these classes held 
will
help minimize any conflict with other scheduled activities. As far as
recruitment from this list goes, I would suggest asking respondents to 
do so
off list to avoid unnecessary list dialogue.

Your idea is not too formal by any means. I have always wanted to see
something along these lines at past NWMF events but just never had the 
time.
It will simply take effort and determination on your part to see this
through.

Take care and see you very soon.

Jim Molloy
Waldersee Farm
http://www.northwestmogfest.com
http://www.volvo4x4.com


-----Original Message-----
 From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of 
Tony
Day
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:21 PM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: [MOG] Need to do some learnin' @ NWMF



NWMF folks,
I don't know if I missed it last year because I didn't know all of what
goes on or because I was just to overwhelmed with the whole Mog Fest
event and was in the wrong place at the right time,
but are there any (for lack of a better word) classes @ NWMF on 404
basic knowledge?

Would one or more Zenith NDIX carb experts be willing to teach me and /
or maybe a group of novices how to setup and tweak in a / my 404 unimog?

For that matter are there any other little sessions we can have on
general tweaks and adjustments, like brakes, or maybe dialing in the
timing on a 24V system with a 12V light like Bob just asked.

And if/when there is an off road trail excursion, maybe a do's and
don'ts from the old salts on trail basics (lockers, etiquette,
equipment, winching).

Or is this just to formal an idea?
Just wundering.......

Thanx

Tony
Kennewick, WA
66'TLF-8

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:04:35 -0700
From: "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com>
To: "'Mog Mailing List'" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
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I know this should be a an obvious answer to a veteran to NWMF  but I'm
heading down from Seattle and it seems like every year I turn off of I5 at
different points.   But the first 2 years we went to browns point and the
3rd year I was at the ocean .. So  In terms of avoiding traffic  Is there a
recommend way?   I just remember the endless stop lights just after I5
before it opened up before the farm.    I know I could make a bunch of
pissed off people and cut across farm fields but the idea is to get there. 

 

If I'm reading Google maps correctly It looks like down I5 to Wilsonville
then cut across  otherwise the river cuts off anything until Salem.  

 

David Ashley 

87 U1250 VL 

 



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:59:22 -0700
From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
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David---you need a TOM-TOM---good luck.
_--:)
TLane

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, David Ashley
<imjustdave at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I know this should be a an obvious answer to a veteran to NWMF  but I'm
> heading down from Seattle and it seems like every year I turn off of I5 at
> different points.   But the first 2 years we went to browns point and the
> 3rd year I was at the ocean .. So  In terms of avoiding traffic  Is there
a
> recommend way?   I just remember the endless stop lights just after I5
> before it opened up before the farm.    I know I could make a bunch of
> pissed off people and cut across farm fields but the idea is to get there.
>
>
>
> If I'm reading Google maps correctly It looks like down I5 to Wilsonville
> then cut across  otherwise the river cuts off anything until Salem.
>
>
>
> David Ashley
>
> 87 U1250 VL
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:02:08 -0700
From: "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com>
To: "'Mog Mailing List'" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
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Tlane 

I have a tom tom... but it doesn't have a setting for I'm driving a Unimog
and to avoid stop lights and traffic, find me offloading locations. Man
maybe I should ask tom tom to add that option... that would be really cool
:) 




-----Original Message-----
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terry lane
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF

David---you need a TOM-TOM---good luck.
_--:)
TLane

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, David Ashley
<imjustdave at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I know this should be a an obvious answer to a veteran to NWMF  but I'm
> heading down from Seattle and it seems like every year I turn off of I5 at
> different points.   But the first 2 years we went to browns point and the
> 3rd year I was at the ocean .. So  In terms of avoiding traffic  Is there
a
> recommend way?   I just remember the endless stop lights just after I5
> before it opened up before the farm.    I know I could make a bunch of
> pissed off people and cut across farm fields but the idea is to get there.
>
>
>
> If I'm reading Google maps correctly It looks like down I5 to Wilsonville
> then cut across  otherwise the river cuts off anything until Salem.
>
>
>
> David Ashley
>
> 87 U1250 VL
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:07:37 -0700
From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
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Dave--you can't just enter the address of the Malloy farm and let TOMMY boy
 lead you in?---I drove there one time and James had to come and find
me---pre-TOM TOM days----and lead me in.
Tlane

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM, David Ashley <imjustdave at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Tlane
>
> I have a tom tom... but it doesn't have a setting for I'm driving a Unimog
> and to avoid stop lights and traffic, find me offloading locations. Man
> maybe I should ask tom tom to add that option... that would be really cool
> :)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> terry lane
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:59 PM
> To: Mog Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
>
> David---you need a TOM-TOM---good luck.
> _--:)
> TLane
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, David Ashley
> <imjustdave at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I know this should be a an obvious answer to a veteran to NWMF  but I'm
> > heading down from Seattle and it seems like every year I turn off of I5
> at
> > different points.   But the first 2 years we went to browns point and
the
> > 3rd year I was at the ocean .. So  In terms of avoiding traffic  Is
there
> a
> > recommend way?   I just remember the endless stop lights just after I5
> > before it opened up before the farm.    I know I could make a bunch of
> > pissed off people and cut across farm fields but the idea is to get
> there.
> >
> >
> >
> > If I'm reading Google maps correctly It looks like down I5 to
Wilsonville
> > then cut across  otherwise the river cuts off anything until Salem.
> >
> >
> >
> > David Ashley
> >
> > 87 U1250 VL
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:14:37 -0700
From: Brandon <brandon314 at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
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I think that will push you through Tigard, which is stop light hell.

I'd come down I-5 south, when you enter PDX hit I-405 South

Then take the 26W exit (right lane, you'll pass through a tunnel).

Down-shift for the hill (404.1 radiobox makes it up at 40-45MPH) and keep
going until you see a split off for highway 6.

Take this (left) and when you see highway 47 South, take that.

Keep going until you end up in McMinnville. Hang a right...and drive out 99W
until it transitions into Highway 18 towards Sheridan.

Only traffic lights you'll see on that route are on 47 and in McMinnville.
Avoids Tigard and PDX mess mostly. :-)

Enjoy!

Brandon Mathis
KD7INF
(503) 476-9964
brandon314 at gmail.com


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM, terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave--you can't just enter the address of the Malloy farm and let TOMMY
boy
>  lead you in?---I drove there one time and James had to come and find
> me---pre-TOM TOM days----and lead me in.
> Tlane
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM, David Ashley <imjustdave at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Tlane
> >
> > I have a tom tom... but it doesn't have a setting for I'm driving a
> Unimog
> > and to avoid stop lights and traffic, find me offloading locations. Man
> > maybe I should ask tom tom to add that option... that would be really
> cool
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> > terry lane
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:59 PM
> > To: Mog Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Best route to NWMF
> >
> > David---you need a TOM-TOM---good luck.
> > _--:)
> > TLane
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, David Ashley
> > <imjustdave at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I know this should be a an obvious answer to a veteran to NWMF  but
I'm
> > > heading down from Seattle and it seems like every year I turn off of
I5
> > at
> > > different points.   But the first 2 years we went to browns point and
> the
> > > 3rd year I was at the ocean .. So  In terms of avoiding traffic  Is
> there
> > a
> > > recommend way?   I just remember the endless stop lights just after I5
> > > before it opened up before the farm.    I know I could make a bunch of
> > > pissed off people and cut across farm fields but the idea is to get
> > there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If I'm reading Google maps correctly It looks like down I5 to
> Wilsonville
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:35:51 -0600
From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc.
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Mike,

I'm familiar with the engine removal procedure on a regular 406/416, what
does it look like for this rig ?

-Trev, from my android mobile

On 2010-08-18 11:38 AM, "Michael Hiscox" <mhiscox01 at comcast.net> wrote:

Paul sent me a question last night about Camper Mog which is likely of
general interest, so I figured I'd post my response . . .

"Hi Mike: Out of curiosity. How much are you hoping to get? Paul"

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------

Thanks for the question, Paul. Been quieter than I'd have liked on this
topic. Maybe everyone's just waiiting for MogFest.

As-is, where-is, $10K will cover what I've got in it. I'd want about $13K if
I leave the new owner my generator, inverter, expensive 12/24 V battery
 charger, all my tools, etc.

If I get stuck doing the engine rebuild and install and other small
commissioning tasks, I assume it will go back on the market at something
over $40K, given the new paint, seats, etc. and up-to-spec engine.

Of note to a small segment of people, the cabin by itself is valuable--heck,
Unicat sells one the same size for 160,0000 Euros ;-)--so if you want the
truck and not the cabin, we should talk, and if you want the cabin and not
the truck, we should talk. By far, though, highest and best use is as an
intact long-distance expedition motorhome.

Finally, I know where to get a good condition rebuildable engine if a
prospective buyer does not.

Thanks for the interest,

Mike Hiscox
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:49:38 -0700
From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc.
Message-ID: <48AEA58C-8BDD-431F-9EF7-DD9210B86A39 at shaw.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii;	format=flowed;
delsp=yes

Does she know you're asking these questions?
:)

Paul


On 2010-08-18, at 15:35, Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I'm familiar with the engine removal procedure on a regular 406/416,  
> what
> does it look like for this rig ?
>
> -Trev, from my android mobile
>
> On 2010-08-18 11:38 AM, "Michael Hiscox" <mhiscox01 at comcast.net>  
> wrote:
>
> Paul sent me a question last night about Camper Mog which is likely of
> general interest, so I figured I'd post my response . . .
>
> "Hi Mike: Out of curiosity. How much are you hoping to get? Paul"
>
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks for the question, Paul. Been quieter than I'd have liked on  
> this
> topic. Maybe everyone's just waiiting for MogFest.
>
> As-is, where-is, $10K will cover what I've got in it. I'd want about  
> $13K if
> I leave the new owner my generator, inverter, expensive 12/24 V  
> battery
> charger, all my tools, etc.
>
> If I get stuck doing the engine rebuild and install and other small
> commissioning tasks, I assume it will go back on the market at  
> something
> over $40K, given the new paint, seats, etc. and up-to-spec engine.
>
> Of note to a small segment of people, the cabin by itself is  
> valuable--heck,
> Unicat sells one the same size for 160,0000 Euros ;-)--so if you  
> want the
> truck and not the cabin, we should talk, and if you want the cabin  
> and not
> the truck, we should talk. By far, though, highest and best use is  
> as an
> intact long-distance expedition motorhome.
>
> Finally, I know where to get a good condition rebuildable engine if a
> prospective buyer does not.
>
> Thanks for the interest,
>
> Mike Hiscox
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:54:57 -0600
From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc.
Message-ID:
	<AANLkTi=3R-A99BEhFnVJCmzHXXrBHn3XetXikw4ML5YP at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

That's the Unimog she originally wanted ;) My wife is extremely Pro-Unimog

We originally planned on Driving to NWMF this year, but our house sitter
dropped out on us, with the average 2" per day of rain, and 2 sump pumps in
our house, I'm not comfortable leaving it for 2 weeks, were still trying to
arrange a sitter for our dogs (both special needs rescued dogs) and house
and *might* fly down for the weekend.

-Trev

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Does she know you're asking these questions?
> :)
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 2010-08-18, at 15:35, Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Mike,
>>
>> I'm familiar with the engine removal procedure on a regular 406/416, what
>> does it look like for this rig ?
>>
>> -Trev, from my android mobile
>>
>> On 2010-08-18 11:38 AM, "Michael Hiscox" <mhiscox01 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Paul sent me a question last night about Camper Mog which is likely of
>> general interest, so I figured I'd post my response . . .
>>
>> "Hi Mike: Out of curiosity. How much are you hoping to get? Paul"
>>
>>
>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
>>
>> Thanks for the question, Paul. Been quieter than I'd have liked on this
>> topic. Maybe everyone's just waiiting for MogFest.
>>
>> As-is, where-is, $10K will cover what I've got in it. I'd want about $13K
>> if
>> I leave the new owner my generator, inverter, expensive 12/24 V battery
>> charger, all my tools, etc.
>>
>> If I get stuck doing the engine rebuild and install and other small
>> commissioning tasks, I assume it will go back on the market at something
>> over $40K, given the new paint, seats, etc. and up-to-spec engine.
>>
>> Of note to a small segment of people, the cabin by itself is
>> valuable--heck,
>> Unicat sells one the same size for 160,0000 Euros ;-)--so if you want the
>> truck and not the cabin, we should talk, and if you want the cabin and
not
>> the truck, we should talk. By far, though, highest and best use is as an
>> intact long-distance expedition motorhome.
>>
>> Finally, I know where to get a good condition rebuildable engine if a
>> prospective buyer does not.
>>
>> Thanks for the interest,
>>
>> Mike Hiscox
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mog mailing list
>> Mog at tx4x4.com
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:28:51 EDT
From: ALnDNESE at aol.com
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc.
Message-ID: <a1e45.6de24be0.399dc6b3 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

For those on the list that have not seen the Rail-Road Mog, here is a  
picture from 2003:
 
_http://www.draperzoo.com/albums/Nwmf2003/slides/Expi-mog01.html_ 
(http://www.draperzoo.com/albums/Nwmf2003/slides/Expi-mog01.html) 
 
 
Alan Draper
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/18/2010 3:50:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
unimog61 at shaw.ca writes:

Does she  know you're asking these questions?
:)

Paul


On  2010-08-18, at 15:35, Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Mike,
>
> I'm familiar with the engine removal procedure on a  regular 406/416,  
> what
> does it look like for this rig  ?
>
> -Trev, from my android mobile
>
> On 2010-08-18  11:38 AM, "Michael Hiscox" <mhiscox01 at comcast.net>  
>  wrote:
>
> Paul sent me a question last night about Camper Mog  which is likely of
> general interest, so I figured I'd post my response  . . .
>
> "Hi Mike: Out of curiosity. How much are you hoping to  get? Paul"
>
>


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:27 -0700
From: "Michael Hiscox" <mhiscox01 at comcast.net>
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Save-A-Mog Foundation, etc.
Message-ID: <D9D269F24A5E4E4CAA8B59F08DF579B7 at MHISCOX290>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original


> Mike,
>
> I'm familiar with the engine removal procedure on a regular 406/416, what
> does it look like for this rig ?

---------------------------------------------------

Well, now, that's part of the adventure, isn't it? :-)

George Reiswig and I looked it over last weekend and pretty much concluded, 
"Heck if we know."

The front cowl is pure 416, so the attachment points for the cab tilt 
brackets are there. And there's not a lot of extra wiring because of the 
camper; all of that disconnects through a single plug. And the wires, hoses,

linkages, etc. that exist for the stock truck should be pretty much in the 
same place.

The problem we worried about was the weight of the cab and whether the 
tubing at the cab tilt points would be in any danger of collasping from the 
heft of the giant cab. If I end up managing the install, I think I'd take 
out the seats and anything else that would add a lot of weight; I'll also 
see if there's any practical way to get the sliding doors off their tracks. 
My guess is that without doors or seats, the weight might not be too 
gruesome. But before someone asks, I have no idea what the cab actually 
weighs.

Just figure if it was obvious, any damn fool (like me) could do it. :-) 




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:39:21 +0000
From: n7mog at msn.com
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO
Message-ID:
	
<1226046446-1282178346-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-806757470- at b
da743.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	
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Too bad you are that far south.  Deadwood, SD is home for my 2 moss.  The
Black Hills of South Dakota is a great destination as well!
Bill Collister
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:46:00 
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Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO

Moggers:

We are "taking care of business" here in CO.  We have visited many folks
including local moggers like Ron DePugh.

I have posted new photos on
http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part29/Part29.html that
include some interesting truck photos.

We are heading east from here, back to see Rob Pickering in La Junta and
from there, southwest back to San Diego.  We will not be attending NWMF, it
is just too far to go in a short time.  But, to those who attend, please
give our regards to all.

Happy Mogging!

Best,

bc


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:01:52 +0000
From: n7mog at msn.com
To: n7mog at msn.com, "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO
Message-ID:
	
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MOGS, not moss!  Sorry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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To: Mog Mailing List<mog at tx4x4.com>
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Subject: Re: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO

Too bad you are that far south.  Deadwood, SD is home for my 2 moss.  The
Black Hills of South Dakota is a great destination as well!
Bill Collister
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:46:00 
To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO

Moggers:

We are "taking care of business" here in CO.  We have visited many folks
including local moggers like Ron DePugh.

I have posted new photos on
http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part29/Part29.html that
include some interesting truck photos.

We are heading east from here, back to see Rob Pickering in La Junta and
from there, southwest back to San Diego.  We will not be attending NWMF, it
is just too far to go in a short time.  But, to those who attend, please
give our regards to all.

Happy Mogging!

Best,

bc


Bill Caid
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(c) 619-994-0458




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:51:07 -0700
From: "Joe O'Bremski" <joe.obremski at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] ETERNALLY RECURRING QUESTION
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I love my swap.  It's easier to reuse the stock 404 carb, intake and exhaust
manifolds then use the sedan dual carb and it would handle better off
camber.  If your mostly driving on the road the the sedan carbs would be
spunky.

The motor swap is fairly easy.  You swap over got m180 oil pan, grind some
clearance notches were the M130 crank makes contact, change some doul pins,
new thick flywheel and some minor mods to the oil pump pressure regulator as
it will hit the oil pan.   Easily a one day job with a stock cab and a
cherry picker.

Really makes the 12.5 tires roadable.  I'm actually losing few ponies
running propane but she hauls ass.  Could be why I had to swap a tranny.  ;)

On Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM, "Debros, Frederic M.,Md" <FDEBROS at partners.org>
wrote:

i could get a mercedes 250c and 280s wrecked inside/out in storage since 20
years, both with a m130 sohc(?) dual carb engine that was "running when last
tried"...hm.

how much of a headache is it to swap an m130 engine with the m180 engine of
a
404.1 (and make it a 404.0), add 12.5 tires and have something a bit more
"roadtolerable"?
is it just nuts, bolts and elbowgrease or does the flywheel, oilpan  need to
be
changed too?
or is there a 404.0 for sale somewhere?

fred


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:42:27 -0400
From: Jack Miles <jackk.miles at gmail.com>
To: n7mog at msn.com, Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Greetings from Colorado Springs, CO
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Thanks for the update as always Bill, always enjoy it. Stay safe!

- Jack Miles
Tampa, Florida



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:19:09 -0700
From: Matt Oliphant & Nancy Pistole <bf821 at lafn.org>
To: Mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
Message-ID: <a06240814c8927b269282@[192.168.1.106]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

The telescoping hydraulic cylinder on my 416 dump bed will not go 
down all the way. It had been up for three days, and when I tried to 
put it down, the bottom two (larger diameter) cylinders would not 
slide down. I had someone try jumping up and down in the bed which 
helped a little, but it still did not go all the way down. I raised 
the bed several times, but it kept stopping at the same place on the 
way down. The cylinders look clean, and the fluid is not that old. 
Any suggestions? Please don't tell me it has to be rebuilt! Or should 
I say, does anyone know of a good place to have this rebuilt in the 
Los Angeles area?

Matt



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:44:15 +0200
From: Werner Roden <w.roden at online.de>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
Message-ID: <4C6CE0CF.5060003 at online.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello Matt,

i would suggest to (carefull) open the hydraulic line near the cylinder, 
if it moves down then chances are that there is some dirt in the system 
blocking the backflow of the hydraulics somewhere, if it doesnt move the 
problem is more towards the cylinder(s).

hth, Werner

Matt Oliphant & Nancy Pistole schrieb:
> The telescoping hydraulic cylinder on my 416 dump bed will not go down 
> all the way. It had been up for three days, and when I tried to put it 
> down, the bottom two (larger diameter) cylinders would not slide down. 
> I had someone try jumping up and down in the bed which helped a 
> little, but it still did not go all the way down. I raised the bed 
> several times, but it kept stopping at the same place on the way down. 
> The cylinders look clean, and the fluid is not that old. Any 
> suggestions? Please don't tell me it has to be rebuilt! Or should I 
> say, does anyone know of a good place to have this rebuilt in the Los 
> Angeles area?
>
> Matt
>
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:21:31 -0400
From: "Serrano, Kai              HS" <kai.serrano at hs.utc.com>
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
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Matt,  I would check any flex hoses in the system for constrictions. It
would make sense then that the larger cylinders are not retracting as they
produce a lower return pressure than the skinny ones.  Kai

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Oliphant & Nancy Pistole
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:19 PM
To: Mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem

The telescoping hydraulic cylinder on my 416 dump bed will not go 
down all the way. It had been up for three days, and when I tried to 
put it down, the bottom two (larger diameter) cylinders would not 
slide down. I had someone try jumping up and down in the bed which 
helped a little, but it still did not go all the way down. I raised 
the bed several times, but it kept stopping at the same place on the 
way down. The cylinders look clean, and the fluid is not that old. 
Any suggestions? Please don't tell me it has to be rebuilt! Or should 
I say, does anyone know of a good place to have this rebuilt in the 
Los Angeles area?

Matt

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:01:57 -0700
From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
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Matt---you may have air in the system, so you will have to bleed it out.
There might be a bleeder screw at the top of the cylinder--just crack it
slightly and check for air release---if so let it release and cylinder
should continue lowering until oil starts coming out close the bleeder.--Our
Dragon end dump trailer would get air in the system and do that but was an
easy fix.---I'm not familiar with your cylinder or if it has a bleeder screw
but check it out.
Good Luck,
Tlane

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Serrano, Kai HS
<kai.serrano at hs.utc.com>wrote:

> Matt,  I would check any flex hoses in the system for constrictions. It
> would make sense then that the larger cylinders are not retracting as they
> produce a lower return pressure than the skinny ones.  Kai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> Matt Oliphant & Nancy Pistole
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:19 PM
> To: Mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic cylinder problem
>
> The telescoping hydraulic cylinder on my 416 dump bed will not go
> down all the way. It had been up for three days, and when I tried to
> put it down, the bottom two (larger diameter) cylinders would not
> slide down. I had someone try jumping up and down in the bed which
> helped a little, but it still did not go all the way down. I raised
> the bed several times, but it kept stopping at the same place on the
> way down. The cylinders look clean, and the fluid is not that old.
> Any suggestions? Please don't tell me it has to be rebuilt! Or should
> I say, does anyone know of a good place to have this rebuilt in the
> Los Angeles area?
>
> Matt
>
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From FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG  Fri Aug 20 09:50:16 2010
From: FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG (Debros, Frederic M.,Md)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:50:16 -0400
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com><176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com><378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com><176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>

No auto-glass repair outfit will do these repairs!
 
so i will have to fixit myself.....urgh.
 
 
how do i best go about this?  
anybody done it? 
i understand you can take the frame apart 
 
how?
 
and pick out the glass and have a piece cut at a shop....
 
....it is the right pane...
 
Fred
 


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From joe.obremski at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 11:47:23 2010
From: joe.obremski at gmail.com (Joe O'Bremski)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:47:23 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
In-Reply-To: <FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
	<176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=F7pGmtxvPUOnmsSL8W8Nog9EehG8Vit+W=Ln_@mail.gmail.com>

I just buy the windshields in bulk and replace the whole unit :)  But then
again I usually smash and twist the frame so bad that replacing the glass is
not an option.


Thought about some sort of flexible UV resistance plexi glass?  Might resist
the occasional encounter with a foriegn object better then glass and usually
will flex and twist with the frame when you roll your rig, hit rock walls,
hit trees, etc...  Might be my next option when my supply of windshields on
hand runs out ;)

-- 
Joe O'Bremski
'66 Mercedes-Benz 404 Unimog
702-339-8290
YouTube Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/jobremski

From arcticcat99 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 20 11:56:07 2010
From: arcticcat99 at hotmail.com (-Bob -)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:56:07 -0600
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=F7pGmtxvPUOnmsSL8W8Nog9EehG8Vit+W=Ln_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>,
	<176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>,
	<176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>,
	<AANLkTi=F7pGmtxvPUOnmsSL8W8Nog9EehG8Vit+W=Ln_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-w2795DCDB82AAE2209E0133B79F0@phx.gbl>


I guess I can understand a glass place not wanting to screw with the windsheild frame, but an apprentice should be able to cut a piece of flat glass.    Am I right in understanding is the original mog windshield glass  is tempered, and  north american glass is laminated safey glass.   One in metric and the other in inches.   over the years I think people have sucessfully put modern safety glass in a 404 frame despite the minor size difference.
 
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:47:23 -0700
> From: joe.obremski at gmail.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken
> 
> I just buy the windshields in bulk and replace the whole unit :) But then
> again I usually smash and twist the frame so bad that replacing the glass is
> not an option.
> 
> 
> Thought about some sort of flexible UV resistance plexi glass? Might resist
> the occasional encounter with a foriegn object better then glass and usually
> will flex and twist with the frame when you roll your rig, hit rock walls,
> hit trees, etc... Might be my next option when my supply of windshields on
> hand runs out ;)
> 
> -- 
> Joe O'Bremski
> '66 Mercedes-Benz 404 Unimog
> 702-339-8290
> YouTube Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/jobremski
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From history at frii.com  Fri Aug 20 12:30:02 2010
From: history at frii.com (history at frii.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:30:02 -0600
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
Message-ID: <79d0be2dc9fc97e97fdfca2516e6bb52@localhost>

Hi,
I looked into this earlier this summer, but haven't replaced my broken
glass yet.
As I recall, the Benzworld archives said that this glass was 6mm thick,
and American glass
shops don't usually have that.  The recommendation seemed to be to get
glass and gaskets/rubber stuff 
from a mog vender, and then do the work yourself.

Cheers,
Joe
404.114


From unimog at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 12:38:58 2010
From: unimog at comcast.net (Unimog)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:38:58 -0500
Subject: [MOG] A Few Questions!!
References: <79d0be2dc9fc97e97fdfca2516e6bb52@localhost>
Message-ID: <D3D50A0CCD1443ECBF7D085A0A5B8C1A@bulletbaron>

Greetings:

As I am cleaning and organizing my 1963 Swiss Unimog 404, I have a question concerning the rear bed area light. The bottom rear right corner has a Roller switch which seems to lead to the center of the rear area, can someone advise me as to what the missing light looks like, how many there supposed to be and their respective position(s) and where on the Breaker Panel is the correct breaker for this (switch has no power to it) unit.

Also, any help on the lay out of the "Maintenance Vehicle" and its compartmentalized storage chest. Scott from Expedition Imports was kind enough to send me photos of the work table which attaches to each side of  bed, so I have that as a guide!

Lastly, my unit had the mounting bracket and fender plus for the Convoy Light,  question is how is it wired into the main light switch, or is already wired and all I need if the unit itself and the male plug??

Any help will be greatly appreciated by one of the few UNIMOG owners in the Midwest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS

Dennis

From info at goatwerks.com  Fri Aug 20 13:06:05 2010
From: info at goatwerks.com (Jim LaGuardia/Goatwerks)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:06:05 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>,
	<176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>,
	<176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>,
	<AANLkTi=F7pGmtxvPUOnmsSL8W8Nog9EehG8Vit+W=Ln_@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT143-w2795DCDB82AAE2209E0133B79F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C2558CC4CA34B9E8DC18A0EE8C27373@jerri>

Did you know that Scott sells DOT RATED TINTED glass for the 404 (in stock)?
Cheers, Jim LaGuardia


From dsd277 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 20 15:23:40 2010
From: dsd277 at sbcglobal.net (David Dunn)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:23:40 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
In-Reply-To: <79d0be2dc9fc97e97fdfca2516e6bb52@localhost>
Message-ID: <120619.39309.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What 404 do you have? The glass is installed differently on the hardtop from
the softtops. And thickness won't matter if you do it correctly.
I am constantly fabricating tinted windshields, and the only problem you'll
have is trying to reuse a packing gasket that is a one time use. There are
several thicknesses of the packing, and it normally takes trial and error to
find the correct one.

Scott has tinted windshields for the 404 hardtops.... In a normal gasket
set, the slight difference in thickness won't matter, as long as the rubber
is pliable

David Dunn
 
DSD Glass
626  401-3613
dsd277 at sbcglobal.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
history at frii.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:30 AM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken

Hi,
I looked into this earlier this summer, but haven't replaced my broken
glass yet.
As I recall, the Benzworld archives said that this glass was 6mm thick,
and American glass
shops don't usually have that.  The recommendation seemed to be to get
glass and gaskets/rubber stuff 
from a mog vender, and then do the work yourself.

Cheers,
Joe
404.114

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From history at frii.com  Fri Aug 20 18:47:52 2010
From: history at frii.com (history at frii.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:47:52 -0600
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
Message-ID: <ecd8df4cd82eeb43178a85e57d797770@localhost>

Hi David,
I have the Swiss Troop Carrier, soft tops front and rear, body is
different from
the other troop carriers.  Do I need different windshield windows for this
truck
from what the hard top takes?
Thanks,
Joe

-----
What 404 do you have? The glass is installed differently on the hardtop
from
the softtops. And thickness won't matter if you do it correctly.
I am constantly fabricating tinted windshields, and the only problem
you'll
have is trying to reuse a packing gasket that is a one time use. There are
several thicknesses of the packing, and it normally takes trial and error
to
find the correct one.

Scott has tinted windshields for the 404 hardtops.... In a normal gasket
set, the slight difference in thickness won't matter, as long as the
rubber
is pliable

David Dunn
 
DSD Glass
626  401-3613
dsd277 at sbcglobal.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf
Of
history at frii.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:30 AM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken

Hi,
I looked into this earlier this summer, but haven't replaced my broken
glass yet.
As I recall, the Benzworld archives said that this glass was 6mm thick,
and American glass
shops don't usually have that.  The recommendation seemed to be to get
glass and gaskets/rubber stuff 
from a mog vender, and then do the work yourself.

Cheers,
Joe
404.114

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From dsd277 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 20 19:04:32 2010
From: dsd277 at sbcglobal.net (David Dunn)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:04:32 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
In-Reply-To: <ecd8df4cd82eeb43178a85e57d797770@localhost>
Message-ID: <991717.56221.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Different pattern, yes. What the size and shape it is, I don't know..... to
me, these are all the same... just a little different. ;) LOL
If I had one in front of me, I'd probably change the glass while drinking a
beer and taunting some one. ( talk to the Pinzers... it's one of my favorite
pastimes) :) 

Depending on where you are, check which Scott after NWMF and see what he has
( he did have complete assemblies at a very good price, not sure if German,
Belgium or Swiss), or find a glass shop with an old time autoglass man...
and if they say they'll install it with silicone or " wet glaze" it,,, run
like hell from them

David Dunn
 
DSD Glass
626  401-3613
dsd277 at sbcglobal.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
history at frii.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:48 PM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken

Hi David,
I have the Swiss Troop Carrier, soft tops front and rear, body is
different from
the other troop carriers.  Do I need different windshield windows for this
truck
from what the hard top takes?
Thanks,
Joe

-----
What 404 do you have? The glass is installed differently on the hardtop
from
the softtops. And thickness won't matter if you do it correctly.
I am constantly fabricating tinted windshields, and the only problem
you'll
have is trying to reuse a packing gasket that is a one time use. There are
several thicknesses of the packing, and it normally takes trial and error
to
find the correct one.

Scott has tinted windshields for the 404 hardtops.... In a normal gasket
set, the slight difference in thickness won't matter, as long as the
rubber
is pliable

David Dunn
 
DSD Glass
626  401-3613
dsd277 at sbcglobal.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf
Of
history at frii.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:30 AM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken

Hi,
I looked into this earlier this summer, but haven't replaced my broken
glass yet.
As I recall, the Benzworld archives said that this glass was 6mm thick,
and American glass
shops don't usually have that.  The recommendation seemed to be to get
glass and gaskets/rubber stuff 
from a mog vender, and then do the work yourself.

Cheers,
Joe
404.114

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From dsd277 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 20 22:53:47 2010
From: dsd277 at sbcglobal.net (David Dunn)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:53:47 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com><176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com><378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com><176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com><3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>
Message-ID: <71B45378ED89498AA6CA08F7E4052626@PC430180398780>

Sorry, I missed the beginning of this thread
If Scott doesn't have the Swiss windshields, IF I can get hold of a frame, I 
can make a kit for the replacemnet of the glass


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debros, Frederic M.,Md" <FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG>
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken


No auto-glass repair outfit will do these repairs!

so i will have to fixit myself.....urgh.


how do i best go about this?
anybody done it?
i understand you can take the frame apart

how?

and pick out the glass and have a piece cut at a shop....

....it is the right pane...

Fred



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e-mail
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From dsd277 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 20 22:56:23 2010
From: dsd277 at sbcglobal.net (David Dunn)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:56:23 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com><176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com><378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com><176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com><3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com><FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>
	<AANLkTi=F7pGmtxvPUOnmsSL8W8Nog9EehG8Vit+W=Ln_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55F94ABBE4EF48C0B3A9AB5B109DEAC4@PC430180398780>

Plexiglas windshields are not legal on the road .....  AS1 laminated glass 
in the only legal glass for windshields in the US.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe O'Bremski" <joe.obremski at gmail.com>
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken


>I just buy the windshields in bulk and replace the whole unit :)  But then
> again I usually smash and twist the frame so bad that replacing the glass 
> is
> not an option.
>
>
> Thought about some sort of flexible UV resistance plexi glass?  Might 
> resist
> the occasional encounter with a foriegn object better then glass and 
> usually
> will flex and twist with the frame when you roll your rig, hit rock walls,
> hit trees, etc...  Might be my next option when my supply of windshields 
> on
> hand runs out ;)
>
> -- 
> Joe O'Bremski
> '66 Mercedes-Benz 404 Unimog
> 702-339-8290
> YouTube Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/jobremski
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From dsd277 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 20 23:15:17 2010
From: dsd277 at sbcglobal.net (David Dunn)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:15:17 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 front window broken
References: <20090727.213618.5281.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>,
	<176ec1ed0907272141k4f274c5g84ef5995460751a5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<378743.94024.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>,
	<176ec1ed0907272218s29952747r8ff3aeb4b86e30cb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3c04e4580907280218x4a125043iaa01989a12b4a74d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C7045AC5A5@PHSXMB6.partners.org>,
	<AANLkTi=F7pGmtxvPUOnmsSL8W8Nog9EehG8Vit+W=Ln_@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT143-w2795DCDB82AAE2209E0133B79F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C316CFA8299D439FA573FA3A7B334985@PC430180398780>

Tempered and laminated glass are both safety glass, just a matter of what 
the governing laws are for the windshields,. afaik, All of Europe now uses 
Laminated glass for windshields.
As far as metric vs inch, most all are nominal dimensions and only in some 
rare cases one can't be swapped for the other.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "-Bob -" <arcticcat99 at hotmail.com>
To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 front window broken


>
> I guess I can understand a glass place not wanting to screw with the 
> windsheild frame, but an apprentice should be able to cut a piece of flat 
> glass.    Am I right in understanding is the original mog windshield glass 
> is tempered, and  north american glass is laminated safey glass.   One in 
> metric and the other in inches.   over the years I think people have 
> sucessfully put modern safety glass in a 404 frame despite the minor size 
> difference.
>