From kai.serrano at hs.utc.com  Thu Aug 26 08:15:30 2010
From: kai.serrano at hs.utc.com (Serrano, Kai              HS)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:15:30 -0400
Subject: [MOG] Tach green zone
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikX3zyc=OOpoRWoJMeTgr4VdTo+zJw24XjN25_=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimTzMud9H8O5LQH4vkeLxPi-G6x235s0wryQFPp@mail.gmail.com><426552.85567.qm@web38401.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT124-DS21A8ACBE76B848C771D06CC5850@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTikX3zyc=OOpoRWoJMeTgr4VdTo+zJw24XjN25_=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F0970A5BE8AEC47BF5AE82B0FFA44E90112BBD3@UUSMNEL3.na.utcmail.com>

5mm longer stroke equals faster piston speeds at a given RPM and higher inertial loading.

-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of Trevor V
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:58 PM
To: Mog Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MOG] Tach green zone

Longer stroke me thinks.

-Trev, from my android mobile

On 2010-08-25 7:55 PM, "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com> wrote:

I've heard the 366 motor doesn't like to spin as fast as a 352 but for the
life of me I don't know why.


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From Aucadet at suddenlink.net  Thu Aug 26 13:24:17 2010
From: Aucadet at suddenlink.net (David W Bryan)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:24:17 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
Message-ID: <B4ECFFEF9306418286097E41DED1E8E4@bryan>

I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
Aucadet

From tahoemacs at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:13:15 2010
From: tahoemacs at hotmail.com (Rod MacLean)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:13:15 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
In-Reply-To: <B4ECFFEF9306418286097E41DED1E8E4@bryan>
References: <B4ECFFEF9306418286097E41DED1E8E4@bryan>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W4160BFB112F7D69B90F017A4850@phx.gbl>


I think this is pertinent to most 4x4s with autolocking hubs, Fords come to mind. I've never had an issue with this in the Mog driving down the highway. I often have to shift in and out of 4WD in Tahoe in the winter months going from main roads to side roads, dry to icy.
If you have disimilar sized tires between front and back, you will get tension in the transmission and the 4WD will not release properly. 
 
Currently I am running a pair of retreads on the right and a pair of regrooved tires on the left, there is no issue with tension unless I lock the diffs and that would only happen in poor traction where the tires are slipping anyway. There's about 1" difference in diameter and the diffs will handle that elsewhere. I should note here that I have a set of tires waiting to go on, but didn't when I mounted this set up. Also, tire disposal is $$$ here due to the physical volume and transportation costs. Can't see usable tires going to waste either.
 
Originally had the larger set on the front and when returning to 2WD it would eventually release with a loud disturbing thud. Quick rotation and all has been well since.
Rod
 
> From: Aucadet at suddenlink.net
> To: Mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:24:17 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> 
> I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
> Aucadet
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From twlane57 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 14:15:24 2010
From: twlane57 at gmail.com (terry lane)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Fwd:  Greetings from Alamosa, CO
In-Reply-To: <91DC0036-DD3A-43A9-A94C-DA649C076960@yahoo.com>
References: <91DC0036-DD3A-43A9-A94C-DA649C076960@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoM2zYY1L4pmk6RnX8yQk40cVDAN8LoDFYg=oD@mail.gmail.com>

Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What a
manly truck.
TL

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
To: mog at tx4x4.com


Moggers:

I have been a very bad boy.  First in capital equipment purchases and second
in posting tardy photos.  We have several hundred photos that need to be
vetted, then annotated and posted.

But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the "1017A
Experiment" for your viewing pleasure.  See
http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html

More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting them.

Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too far
in the allotted time.

We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and were
turned back each time due to road closures.    That said, we did get our
dirt road ticket punched.

Happy mogging.

Bill Caid
bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
(c) 619-994-0458




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From kai.serrano at hs.utc.com  Thu Aug 26 14:38:33 2010
From: kai.serrano at hs.utc.com (Serrano, Kai              HS)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:38:33 -0400
Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
In-Reply-To: <B4ECFFEF9306418286097E41DED1E8E4@bryan>
References: <B4ECFFEF9306418286097E41DED1E8E4@bryan>
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Aucadet,Yes the Mog will do the same thing. Once the vehicle is straightened out or tire slippage occurs the 4wd will disengage. Until it does you may notice the Mog turning less sharply hear noises of tires scuffing the ground and feel a drag. If you need to make a particularly sharp turn on a trail then it is best to disengage 4WD just before that section. A quick jab of the throttle may also cause some slippage to help the dog clutches unload and release. Due to the fact that there is no 4WD indicator light on a Mog some people may think that the 4wd disengages on command...It does not. It only disengages after load is removed from the dog clutch sufficiently for the return spring to move it over. You do not need to back up the Mog as it serves no purpose. Kai

-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of David W Bryan
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:24 AM
To: Mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up

I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
Aucadet
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From tahoemacs at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:19:48 2010
From: tahoemacs at hotmail.com (Rod MacLean)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:19:48 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Fwd:  Greetings from Alamosa, CO
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoM2zYY1L4pmk6RnX8yQk40cVDAN8LoDFYg=oD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <91DC0036-DD3A-43A9-A94C-DA649C076960@yahoo.com>,
	<AANLkTimoM2zYY1L4pmk6RnX8yQk40cVDAN8LoDFYg=oD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W23D0E3711BF97A86084616A4850@phx.gbl>


I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in California.
Rod
 
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> 
> Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
> for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What a
> manly truck.
> TL
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> 
> 
> Moggers:
> 
> I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and second
> in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to be
> vetted, then annotated and posted.
> 
> But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the "1017A
> Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> 
> More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting them.
> 
> Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too far
> in the allotted time.
> 
> We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and were
> turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> dirt road ticket punched.
> 
> Happy mogging.
> 
> Bill Caid
> bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> (c) 619-994-0458
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From twlane57 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:22:56 2010
From: twlane57 at gmail.com (terry lane)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:22:56 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W23D0E3711BF97A86084616A4850@phx.gbl>
References: <91DC0036-DD3A-43A9-A94C-DA649C076960@yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimoM2zYY1L4pmk6RnX8yQk40cVDAN8LoDFYg=oD@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W23D0E3711BF97A86084616A4850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD3Q4JB950WERX792ywJOovP-HGyLN7idszeDj@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rod--I guessed I missed the one at Sharpe---when was that one sold?
TL

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> California.
> Rod
>
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> >
> > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
> > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What
> a
> > manly truck.
> > TL
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> >
> >
> > Moggers:
> >
> > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> second
> > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to be
> > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> >
> > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> "1017A
> > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> >
> > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> them.
> >
> > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too
> far
> > in the allotted time.
> >
> > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> were
> > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > dirt road ticket punched.
> >
> > Happy mogging.
> >
> > Bill Caid
> > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > (c) 619-994-0458
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From chrstn64sails at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:37:01 2010
From: chrstn64sails at gmail.com (Chip Clarke)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:37:01 -0400
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxUwaKbVnHooQsVGHFWH4vUEmyw2ZMMqE0o-qs@mail.gmail.com>

So I have been away playing head paper towel boy in the gulf for the summer.
   Last spring I come up with the great idea to help a good friend in Canada
get a U500 in Germany.    I was working over there during the winter and
part of the early spring.   I travel the 130 km to Munich look at the U500,
 nice rig no issues.     Test drove it,  basically drives like a 4x4 cab
over.   but it fits my friends plans so I am happy to help him out.   I make
arrangements to have the truck inspected by SGS in Germany who I deal with
on a regular basis.    They go out and for 1200 euro  find a diesel mech who
comes down and looks at the truck.  No issues at all.   My friend wires the
money and the truck is going to Hamburg for shipment to Ontario.    We get
the truck to Hamburg with no issues.  Otherwise the truck arrives in Canada
in May.   No problems.  A good friend helps clear the truck and all is well.
     My friend in Ontario who bought the truck gets his truck and is happy.
  I am happy to help,  he is happy - life is good.       Maybe not.

I get a call while I am in the Gulf about the truck.    He didn't move the
truck for a week and went out to start it (he stores it in his garage)  and
the truck starts for literally 2 seconds and dies.    He called a Unimog
dealer (Uthemann)  in Hamburg (he speaks perfect Plattedeutsche) and tells
them the problem.   Looks like it is the ECU/ECM          Long story short
ECM mapping was somehow screwed up.   I didn't get the whole story but he
ordered a new unit from Freightliner in Ontario at a cost of 2900 CAD.
 Unit came in.   He had a local dealership (freightliner)  install it.
Worked fine for three weeks and died again.     Mercedes will not give any
warranty or guarantee coverage for this item.  He is now expected to pay
another 3K  for a ECM ??

He did notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
stop position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last few
days before his second failure.


Anyone else had these issues ?     Freightliner is really clueless,   the
dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away sort
of hard to help.

Anyone else stuck with these problems.

From chrstn64sails at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 15:42:43 2010
From: chrstn64sails at gmail.com (Chip Clarke)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:42:43 -0400
Subject: [MOG] Mog red tape?
In-Reply-To: <20100822125244.BS570.1296876.imail@eastrmwml38>
References: <20100822125244.BS570.1296876.imail@eastrmwml38>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_=s8KFBAk+7q9ZJTBMNAm8FJdpkEwcwPCeFXg@mail.gmail.com>

I am not an expert, heck I can't even say I know exactly what I am talking
about -- but from experience  I can tell you anything that is 25 years or
older is mostly exempt.    Find a decent broker when you want to return and
have them do the entry.    I keep a car in Germany (a 2007 Chrysler minivan
!) and when my contract expires in 2014 I may either sell or bring it back.
  As long as I have my documentation it should not be a problem at all ,  so
I am told.   It doesn't really matter where the vehicle is coming from but
from a regulation standpoint where it was manufactured.   Obviously a truck
coming back from Colombia might be eyed a little differently than a truck
coming from the UK.

I have had a local friend help me import a couple of my mogs and I can tell
you the older models are simple.   Just make sure it is spotless and clean.
   !!


Chip C...

From EUROMOG at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 16:16:19 2010
From: EUROMOG at aol.com (EUROMOG at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:16:19 EDT
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
Message-ID: <15910b.60cc3416.39a833a3@aol.com>

 
First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.  
Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time the 
cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have 
you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a 
voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead 
battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all kinds of 
electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the 
starter that will kill it. 
 
Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is  
correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis ground and  
to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test 
starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU while 
cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are able to 
get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can kill 
an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC current 
coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off 
position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick draw. 
Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster than it 
should.
 
If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and  
test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not 
supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits to the 
ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a test 
light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage 
load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit value 
test for volt and  ohm readings.
 
John Wessels
Former U500 owner
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:

He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last  
few
days before his second failure.


Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,    the
dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away  sort
of hard to help.





From jackk.miles at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 16:22:41 2010
From: jackk.miles at gmail.com (Jack Miles)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:22:41 -0400
Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVZAV8avUE8u9b5v6sD5Gz4CQBTouWbw3cuS6h@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!

- Jack Miles
Tampa, Florida


From kai.serrano at hs.utc.com  Thu Aug 26 16:25:21 2010
From: kai.serrano at hs.utc.com (Serrano, Kai              HS)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:25:21 -0400
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <15910b.60cc3416.39a833a3@aol.com>
References: <15910b.60cc3416.39a833a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7F0970A5BE8AEC47BF5AE82B0FFA44E90112BE44@UUSMNEL3.na.utcmail.com>

Holy Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump on its predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with yours?  Have a good one!  Kai

-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of EUROMOG at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:16 PM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500


 
First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.  
Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time the 
cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have 
you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a 
voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead 
battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all kinds of 
electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the 
starter that will kill it. 
 
Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is  
correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis ground and  
to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test 
starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU while 
cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are able to 
get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can kill 
an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC current 
coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off 
position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick draw. 
Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster than it 
should.
 
If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and  
test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not 
supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits to the 
ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a test 
light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage 
load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit value 
test for volt and  ohm readings.
 
John Wessels
Former U500 owner
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:

He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last  
few
days before his second failure.


Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,    the
dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away  sort
of hard to help.




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From brad.kosiba at irvmat.com  Thu Aug 26 16:27:36 2010
From: brad.kosiba at irvmat.com (Brad Kosiba)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:27:36 -0400
Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
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I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.


-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
Jack Miles
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
To: Mog Mailing List
Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight

Hey Guys,

   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!

- Jack Miles
Tampa, Florida

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From tahoemacs at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 16:28:36 2010
From: tahoemacs at hotmail.com (Rod MacLean)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:28:36 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
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Last year sometime I think.
 
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:22:56 -0700
> From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> 
> Hi Rod--I guessed I missed the one at Sharpe---when was that one sold?
> TL
> 
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> > California.
> > Rod
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > >
> > > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
> > > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What
> > a
> > > manly truck.
> > > TL
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Moggers:
> > >
> > > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> > second
> > > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to be
> > > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> > >
> > > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> > "1017A
> > > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> > >
> > > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> > them.
> > >
> > > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too
> > far
> > > in the allotted time.
> > >
> > > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> > were
> > > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > > dirt road ticket punched.
> > >
> > > Happy mogging.
> > >
> > > Bill Caid
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From brandon314 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 16:31:00 2010
From: brandon314 at gmail.com (Brandon)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:31:00 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
In-Reply-To: <441EF7B19280354F94EBB4C1A2673A2D03126C8B@exch01.imi.local>
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	<441EF7B19280354F94EBB4C1A2673A2D03126C8B@exch01.imi.local>
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My '65 German 404.1 Radiobox empty is right around 7950 w/ 1/2 a tank of
fuel.

So you can expect 8000-8600 depending upon what gear it has in it.

Later!


Brandon Mathis
KD7INF
brandon314 at gmail.com


On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brad Kosiba <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com> wrote:

> I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> Jack Miles
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> To: Mog Mailing List
> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
>
> Hey Guys,
>
>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
> Tampa, Florida
>
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From robwyatt at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 26 16:45:16 2010
From: robwyatt at pacbell.net (Rob Wyatt)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <15910b.60cc3416.39a833a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <533528.5279.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would definately check what John said, but given that it does run for a couple of seconds I would guess that the ECU is not fried, well, not totally fried.
The first thing to figure is whether it is shutting down or just locking up. A decent CAN bus scanner should be able to tell you this, if it is shutting itself down something should go over the bus. On the other hard if the ECU just disappears from the bus its?probably?locking up. Is there is no engine light or anything? Has anybody tried a scanner?

The ECU itself is pretty well protected but the stuff John said will cause problems. Was the truck shipped in a container or open to the sea air? If there is any sign of salt water corrosion I would pull the ECU out and totally clean the connector, some of the sensors are really low level signals and a bad connector would cause havok. Given that 2 ECUs have done the same thing I would guess it is something silly like this. I would also think that something like this would
Another thing, after it has ran for 2 seconds, will it run again for 2 seconds or does he have to wait? For the first second or so the ECU runs in 'startup' mode where it pretty much ignores most (not all) of the sensors and then when it gets stable signals it switches over to using them. Some of these sensors are absolutely critical, most ECUs will shutdown if they completely lose the position. The position could come from crank or cam sensors or both and some ECUs can deal with one of them going out by computing an estimate for the other but if it looses both it has no choice other than to stop. Something like this would be reported on the CAN bus and should put the engine light on,
Is it somehow overheating, its doubtful in 2 seconds but it is possible. Another thing would be to hold the ECU in your hand while its running and see if its getting extremely hot.
Unfortunately, problems like this can be a bitch to find.
Rob
--- On Thu, 8/26/10, EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:

From: EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 2:16 PM

 
First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.? 
Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time the 
cab? is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have 
you asked? if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a 
voltage/amperage? surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead 
battery will do it. A? battery that is connected backwards will fry all kinds of 
electronics. If the? ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the 
starter that will kill it. 
 
Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is? 
correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis ground and? 
to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test 
starter? cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU while 
cranking.? Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are able to 
get the? truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can kill 
an ECU. Also? perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC current 
coming out of it? that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off 
position use the milliamp? setting to check for excessive parasettick draw. 
Anything more than 150ma you? have a problem draining the battery faster than it 
should.
 
If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and? 
test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not 
supposed? to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits to the 
ECU have? full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a test 
light for? this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage 
load. You will? need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit value 
test for volt and? ohm readings.
 
John Wessels
Former U500 owner
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,? 
chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:

He did? notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
stop? position twice and come back on again.? This was happening the last? 
few
days before his second failure.


Anyone else had these issues? ?? ???Freightliner is really clueless,? ? the
dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away? sort
of hard to help.




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From jackk.miles at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 16:46:37 2010
From: jackk.miles at gmail.com (Jack Miles)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:46:37 -0400
Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
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Awesome, thanks guys! I found an online source listing the curb weight
at 8200, so your estimates fit right in line. That should do the
truck.

Thanks!

- Jack Miles

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Brandon <brandon314 at gmail.com> wrote:
> My '65 German 404.1 Radiobox empty is right around 7950 w/ 1/2 a tank of
> fuel.
>
> So you can expect 8000-8600 depending upon what gear it has in it.
>
> Later!
>
>
> Brandon Mathis
> KD7INF
> brandon314 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brad Kosiba <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com> wrote:
>
>> I weighed mine a couple months ago. ?I think it was 8450 lbs.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jack Miles
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
>> To: Mog Mailing List
>> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> ? I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
>> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
>> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
>> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
>>
>> - Jack Miles
>> Tampa, Florida
>>
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From EUROMOG at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 17:54:28 2010
From: EUROMOG at aol.com (EUROMOG at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:54:28 EDT
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
Message-ID: <145d9d.5f8f5f19.39a84aa4@aol.com>

 
Kai,
 
I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about 
 would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you 
have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not 
have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to 
plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have 
several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail and 
cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus 
will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until the 
CAN bus wakes up  again.
 
I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a 
problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse to 
 blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that 
circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the most 
you could go  was 5MPH.
 
I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan  
system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full pressure 
to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full 
speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was over 
100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant 
thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for the 
ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the ECU. 
Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
 
John Wessels
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:

Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump 
on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with  
yours?  Have a good one!  Kai





From imjustdave at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 18:12:45 2010
From: imjustdave at hotmail.com (David Ashley)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:12:45 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <145d9d.5f8f5f19.39a84aa4@aol.com>
References: <145d9d.5f8f5f19.39a84aa4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS192693F8AAD63B418BAAF2C5850@phx.gbl>

Almost sounds like the anti theft keys in a dodge pickup truck.  If you use
a non codded key it will start and run for 2 seconds Then it dies.  It will
start up again and do the same thing.   After a short # of cycles supposedly
according to the manual it will require a trip to the dealer to say
everything is ok and allow the truck to start again...  I can't imagine its
something as simple as this but may it is ... sometimes the simple things in
life hurt you.

So is he using the original KEY?   because it's the guts in the key that
make it work not just cutting a new one. I had a key cut for my dodge simple
to do but it only opens the door it will work in the ignition for about 2
seconds as I said above.

Start with the simple things :) 



David Ashley 
87 U1250 VL 



-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
EUROMOG at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:54 PM
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500

 
Kai,
 
I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about 
 would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you 
have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not 
have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to 
plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have 
several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail and

cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus 
will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until the

CAN bus wakes up  again.
 
I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a 
problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse
to 
 blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that 
circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the
most 
you could go  was 5MPH.
 
I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan  
system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full pressure

to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full 
speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
over 
100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant 
thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for
the 
ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
ECU. 
Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
 
John Wessels
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:

Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump 
on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with  
yours?  Have a good one!  Kai




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From robwyatt at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 26 18:13:18 2010
From: robwyatt at pacbell.net (Rob Wyatt)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <145d9d.5f8f5f19.39a84aa4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The CAN bus is so well documented and all the manufacturer specifc stuff is so well hacked that you should never ever need to use the factory tools to figure anything out. I made a trivial PC app that will control the gauges, write messages to the LCD in my audi and I am sure I could mess with the brakes and traction control too. Its kind of scary how easy it is especially because the PC tools will simply record the bus in real time and then you can?analyze?it, change it, play it back.
Search the web for open source CAN bus tools and there are thousands of them, tons of them have all the manufacturer specific stuff. Most of them work with a simple CAN to USB converter and you use a regular PC. They quality and ease of use of the open source tools are light years ahead of the manufacturer tools.
I guess you are looking at it from a mechanics point of view, I look at it from an embedded system/software point of view.
Rob
--- On Thu, 8/26/10, EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:

From: EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
To: mog at tx4x4.com
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:54 PM

 
Kai,
 
I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about 
 would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you 
have? one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not 
have a? standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to 
plug in. Scan? tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have 
several ECU's? connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail and 
cause the whole? CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus 
will work properly.? Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until the 
CAN bus wakes up? again.
 
I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have? a 
problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse to 
 blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that 
circuit had? no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the most 
you could go? was 5MPH.
 
I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan? 
system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full pressure 
to? the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full 
speed and? cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was over 
100 degrees? F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant 
thermostat, cracked? expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for the 
ECU. Problem was? still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the ECU. 
Got rid of the? truck before the problem was corrected.
 
John Wessels
 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,? 
kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:

Holy? Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump 
on its? predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with? 
yours?? Have a good one!? Kai




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From unimog61 at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 26 20:41:53 2010
From: unimog61 at shaw.ca (Paul)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <145d9d.5f8f5f19.39a84aa4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C89C65F1.4CD%unimog61@shaw.ca>

I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
stuff...

Paul





On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:

>  
> Kai,
>  
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail and
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until the
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>  
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the
> most 
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>  
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full pressure
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over 
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for
> the 
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU. 
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>  
> John Wessels
>  
>  
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> 
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From tenn404mogger at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 21:13:27 2010
From: tenn404mogger at yahoo.com (Bob Ragain)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <C89C65F1.4CD%unimog61@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <15559.34630.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

U-1300L, best Unimog ever made :-)
Bob

--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:41 PM
> I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more
> and more everyday when I hear this
> stuff...
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com"
> <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >? 
> > Kai,
> >? 
> > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the
> procedure I wrote about
> >? would be standard to vet out strange problems.
> Scan tools are great if you
> > have? one that will communicate with the ECU you
> want to. The U500 does not
> > have a? standard OBDII port. So then you need the
> Mercedes STAR system to
> > plug in. Scan? tools don't always tell the whole
> story though. If you have
> > several ECU's? connected to a CAN bus another ECU
> in the system can fail and
> > cause the whole? CAN bus to go down. Once that
> happens nothing on that bus
> > will work properly.? Then you have to disconnect
> one ECU at a time until the
> > CAN bus wakes up? again.
> >? 
> > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or
> running. Did have? a
> > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing
> the back up light fuse to
> >? blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to
> the ECU. When that
> > circuit had? no power the ECU would go into limp
> mode. In the limp mode the
> > most 
> > you could go? was 5MPH.
> >? 
> > I did have an intermittant problem with the
> electro-hydralic radiator fan
> > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would
> not give full pressure
> > to? the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would
> cause it to not go full
> > speed and? cause overheating. Of course this
> would only happen when it was
> > over 
> > 100 degrees? F outside but not all the time. I
> replaced the coolant
> > thermostat, cracked? expansion tank and cap and
> the coolant temp sensor for
> > the 
> > ECU. Problem was? still there so only items left
> were the EHA valve or the
> > ECU. 
> > Got rid of the? truck before the problem was
> corrected.
> >? 
> > John Wessels
> >? 
> >? 
> > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com
> writes:
> > 
> > Holy? Crap! There is much to be said for the 100%
> mechanical injection pump
> > on its? predecessors! John is this something you
> know from experience with
> > yours?? Have a good one!? Kai
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From n7mog at msn.com  Thu Aug 26 21:30:30 2010
From: n7mog at msn.com (n7mog at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:30:30 +0000
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <C89C65F1.4CD%unimog61@shaw.ca>
References: <145d9d.5f8f5f19.39a84aa4@aol.com><C89C65F1.4CD%unimog61@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <767847152-1282876233-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1811708480-@bda743.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I'm hating vehicular computers more & more each day!
Bill
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
Sender: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53 
To: Mog Mailing List<mog at tx4x4.com>
Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500

I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
stuff...

Paul





On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:

>  
> Kai,
>  
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail and
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until the
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>  
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the
> most 
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>  
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full pressure
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over 
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for
> the 
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU. 
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>  
> John Wessels
>  
>  
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> 
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mog mailing list
> Mog at tx4x4.com
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From unimog61 at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 26 22:57:29 2010
From: unimog61 at shaw.ca (Paul)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:57:29 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
In-Reply-To: <7F0970A5BE8AEC47BF5AE82B0FFA44E90112BBD3@UUSMNEL3.na.utcmail.com>
Message-ID: <C89C85B9.4D8%unimog61@shaw.ca>

http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
1.html

Could it be any prettier...?





From MPop5555 at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 23:33:45 2010
From: MPop5555 at aol.com (MPop5555 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:33:45 EDT
Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
Message-ID: <16f5e2.75458910.39a89a29@aol.com>

It looks a little more robust than a HMMT. 
 
 
I like it!
 
Mike Pop
Eureka, NV
Spring Lake, NJ
 
 

From unimog61 at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 26 23:44:18 2010
From: unimog61 at shaw.ca (Paul)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:44:18 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
In-Reply-To: <16f5e2.75458910.39a89a29@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C89C90B2.4E7%unimog61@shaw.ca>

Now if only I had a place to park it...

paul




On 10-08-26 9:33 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:

> It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
>  
>  
> I like it!
>  
> Mike Pop
> Eureka, NV
> Spring Lake, NJ
>  
>  
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From MPop5555 at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 23:45:59 2010
From: MPop5555 at aol.com (MPop5555 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:45:59 EDT
Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
Message-ID: <16fb09.5280a39c.39a89d07@aol.com>

You can park it at my place.  Plenty of room and I will start it and  run 
it every now and then. ;-)
 
 
Mike Pop