From martinsteyn at servicemaster.co.za  Sat Aug 28 01:12:31 2010
From: martinsteyn at servicemaster.co.za (Martin Steyn)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:12:31 +0200
Subject: [MOG]  Rant - U500
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=S7J3-QPJ3KLgzrca8ogVJJYO_k8y-z7QDRtNt@mail.gmail.com>

Good day Chip,

I would be grateful if you could send me the details of SGS in Germany for
vehicle inspections.

With thanks.
Martin Steyn
Durban, South Africa
U1300L

On 27 August 2010 19:00, <mog-request at tx4x4.com> wrote:

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>   1. Shifting Lock Up (David W Bryan)
>   2. Re: Shifting Lock Up (Rod MacLean)
>   3. Fwd:  Greetings from Alamosa, CO (terry lane)
>   4. Re: Shifting Lock Up (Serrano, Kai              HS)
>   5. Re: Fwd:  Greetings from Alamosa, CO (Rod MacLean)
>   6. Re: Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO (terry lane)
>   7. Rant - U500 (Chip Clarke)
>   8. Re: Mog red tape? (Chip Clarke)
>   9. Re: Rant - U500 (EUROMOG at aol.com)
>  10. 404.1 Radio Truck Weight (Jack Miles)
>  11. Re: Rant - U500 (Serrano, Kai              HS)
>  12. Re: 404.1 Radio Truck Weight (Brad Kosiba)
>  13. Re: Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO (Rod MacLean)
>  14. Re: 404.1 Radio Truck Weight (Brandon)
>  15. Re: Rant - U500 (Rob Wyatt)
>  16. Re: 404.1 Radio Truck Weight (Jack Miles)
>  17. Re: Rant - U500 (EUROMOG at aol.com)
>  18. Re: Rant - U500 (David Ashley)
>  19. Re: Rant - U500 (Rob Wyatt)
>  20. Re: Rant - U500 (Paul)
>  21. Re: Rant - U500 (Bob Ragain)
>  22. Re: Rant - U500 (n7mog at msn.com)
>  23. Found the platform for my new camper (Paul)
>  24. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (MPop5555 at aol.com)
>  25. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Paul)
>  26. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (MPop5555 at aol.com)
>  27. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (VWsandMOGs)
>  28. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Trevor V)
>  29. Re: Rant - U500 (Trevor V)
>  30. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Paul)
>  31. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Paul)
>  32. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Joe O'Bremski)
>  33. Re: 404 6th gear issues (Joe O'Bremski)
>  34. Found the platform for my new camper (Bradley Schmidt)
>  35. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Doug HALKETT)
>  36. Steyr 12 M 18 OT (Paul)
>  37. Re: Steyr 12 M 18 OT (Werner Roden)
>  38. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (Paul)
>  39. Re: Found the platform for my new camper (gerald vavra)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David W Bryan" <Aucadet at suddenlink.net>
> To: <Mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:24:17 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when
> shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and
> straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
> Aucadet
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:13:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
>
> I think this is pertinent to most 4x4s with autolocking hubs, Fords come to
> mind. I've never had an issue with this in the Mog driving down the highway.
> I often have to shift in and out of 4WD in Tahoe in the winter months going
> from main roads to side roads, dry to icy.
> If you have disimilar sized tires between front and back, you will get
> tension in the transmission and the 4WD will not release properly.
>
> Currently I am running a pair of retreads on the right and a pair of
> regrooved tires on the left, there is no issue with tension unless I lock
> the diffs and that would only happen in poor traction where the tires are
> slipping anyway. There's about 1" difference in diameter and the diffs will
> handle that elsewhere. I should note here that I have a set of tires waiting
> to go on, but didn't when I mounted this set up. Also, tire disposal is $$$
> here due to the physical volume and transportation costs. Can't see usable
> tires going to waste either.
>
> Originally had the larger set on the front and when returning to 2WD it
> would eventually release with a loud disturbing thud. Quick rotation and all
> has been well since.
> Rod
>
> > From: Aucadet at suddenlink.net
> > To: Mog at tx4x4.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:24:17 -0700
> > Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> >
> > I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when
> shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and
> straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> > Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would
> apply.
> > Aucadet
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
> To: "Bill Caid (Yahoo)" <bcaid at yahoo.com>, Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com
> >
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
> for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What a
> manly truck.
> TL
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
>
>
> Moggers:
>
> I have been a very bad boy.  First in capital equipment purchases and
> second
> in posting tardy photos.  We have several hundred photos that need to be
> vetted, then annotated and posted.
>
> But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> "1017A
> Experiment" for your viewing pleasure.  See
> http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
>
> More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting them.
>
> Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too
> far
> in the allotted time.
>
> We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> were
> turned back each time due to road closures.    That said, we did get our
> dirt road ticket punched.
>
> Happy mogging.
>
> Bill Caid
> bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> (c) 619-994-0458
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Serrano, Kai HS" <kai.serrano at hs.utc.com>
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:38:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> Aucadet,Yes the Mog will do the same thing. Once the vehicle is
> straightened out or tire slippage occurs the 4wd will disengage. Until it
> does you may notice the Mog turning less sharply hear noises of tires
> scuffing the ground and feel a drag. If you need to make a particularly
> sharp turn on a trail then it is best to disengage 4WD just before that
> section. A quick jab of the throttle may also cause some slippage to help
> the dog clutches unload and release. Due to the fact that there is no 4WD
> indicator light on a Mog some people may think that the 4wd disengages on
> command...It does not. It only disengages after load is removed from the dog
> clutch sufficiently for the return spring to move it over. You do not need
> to back up the Mog as it serves no purpose. Kai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> David W Bryan
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:24 AM
> To: Mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
>
> I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when
> shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and
> straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
> Aucadet
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:19:48 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
>
> I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> California.
> Rod
>
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> >
> > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
> > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What
> a
> > manly truck.
> > TL
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> >
> >
> > Moggers:
> >
> > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> second
> > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to be
> > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> >
> > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> "1017A
> > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> >
> > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> them.
> >
> > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too
> far
> > in the allotted time.
> >
> > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> were
> > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > dirt road ticket punched.
> >
> > Happy mogging.
> >
> > Bill Caid
> > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > (c) 619-994-0458
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:22:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> Hi Rod--I guessed I missed the one at Sharpe---when was that one sold?
> TL
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> > California.
> > Rod
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > >
> > > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want
> one
> > > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA
> engine?---What
> > a
> > > manly truck.
> > > TL
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Moggers:
> > >
> > > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> > second
> > > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to be
> > > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> > >
> > > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> > "1017A
> > > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> > >
> > > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> > them.
> > >
> > > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was
> too
> > far
> > > in the allotted time.
> > >
> > > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> > were
> > > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > > dirt road ticket punched.
> > >
> > > Happy mogging.
> > >
> > > Bill Caid
> > > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > > (c) 619-994-0458
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chip Clarke <chrstn64sails at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:37:01 -0400
> Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
> So I have been away playing head paper towel boy in the gulf for the
> summer.
>   Last spring I come up with the great idea to help a good friend in Canada
> get a U500 in Germany.    I was working over there during the winter and
> part of the early spring.   I travel the 130 km to Munich look at the U500,
>  nice rig no issues.     Test drove it,  basically drives like a 4x4 cab
> over.   but it fits my friends plans so I am happy to help him out.   I
> make
> arrangements to have the truck inspected by SGS in Germany who I deal with
> on a regular basis.    They go out and for 1200 euro  find a diesel mech
> who
> comes down and looks at the truck.  No issues at all.   My friend wires the
> money and the truck is going to Hamburg for shipment to Ontario.    We get
> the truck to Hamburg with no issues.  Otherwise the truck arrives in Canada
> in May.   No problems.  A good friend helps clear the truck and all is
> well.
>     My friend in Ontario who bought the truck gets his truck and is happy.
>  I am happy to help,  he is happy - life is good.       Maybe not.
>
> I get a call while I am in the Gulf about the truck.    He didn't move the
> truck for a week and went out to start it (he stores it in his garage)  and
> the truck starts for literally 2 seconds and dies.    He called a Unimog
> dealer (Uthemann)  in Hamburg (he speaks perfect Plattedeutsche) and tells
> them the problem.   Looks like it is the ECU/ECM          Long story short
> ECM mapping was somehow screwed up.   I didn't get the whole story but he
> ordered a new unit from Freightliner in Ontario at a cost of 2900 CAD.
>  Unit came in.   He had a local dealership (freightliner)  install it.
> Worked fine for three weeks and died again.     Mercedes will not give any
> warranty or guarantee coverage for this item.  He is now expected to pay
> another 3K  for a ECM ??
>
> He did notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues ?     Freightliner is really clueless,   the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away sort
> of hard to help.
>
> Anyone else stuck with these problems.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chip Clarke <chrstn64sails at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:42:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Mog red tape?
> I am not an expert, heck I can't even say I know exactly what I am talking
> about -- but from experience  I can tell you anything that is 25 years or
> older is mostly exempt.    Find a decent broker when you want to return and
> have them do the entry.    I keep a car in Germany (a 2007 Chrysler minivan
> !) and when my contract expires in 2014 I may either sell or bring it back.
>  As long as I have my documentation it should not be a problem at all ,  so
> I am told.   It doesn't really matter where the vehicle is coming from but
> from a regulation standpoint where it was manufactured.   Obviously a truck
> coming back from Colombia might be eyed a little differently than a truck
> coming from the UK.
>
> I have had a local friend help me import a couple of my mogs and I can tell
> you the older models are simple.   Just make sure it is spotless and clean.
>   !!
>
>
> Chip C...
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:16:19 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
> First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.
> Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time
> the
> cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have
> you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a
> voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead
> battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all
> kinds of
> electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the
> starter that will kill it.
>
> Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is
> correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis ground
> and
> to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test
> starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU
> while
> cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are
> able to
> get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can kill
> an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC current
> coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off
> position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick draw.
> Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster
> than it
> should.
>
> If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and
> test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not
> supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits
> to the
> ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a
> test
> light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage
> load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit
> value
> test for volt and  ohm readings.
>
> John Wessels
> Former U500 owner
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:
>
> He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,    the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
>  sort
> of hard to help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jack Miles <jackk.miles at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:22:41 -0400
> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> Hey Guys,
>
>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
> Tampa, Florida
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Serrano, Kai HS" <kai.serrano at hs.utc.com>
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:25:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> Holy Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> EUROMOG at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:16 PM
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
>
>
> First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.
> Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time
> the
> cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have
> you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a
> voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead
> battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all
> kinds of
> electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the
> starter that will kill it.
>
> Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is
> correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis ground
> and
> to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test
> starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU
> while
> cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are
> able to
> get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can kill
> an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC current
> coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off
> position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick draw.
> Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster
> than it
> should.
>
> If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and
> test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not
> supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits
> to the
> ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a
> test
> light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage
> load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit
> value
> test for volt and  ohm readings.
>
> John Wessels
> Former U500 owner
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:
>
> He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,    the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
>  sort
> of hard to help.
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Brad Kosiba" <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com>
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:27:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> Jack Miles
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> To: Mog Mailing List
> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
>
> Hey Guys,
>
>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
> Tampa, Florida
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:28:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
>
> Last year sometime I think.
>
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:22:56 -0700
> > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> >
> > Hi Rod--I guessed I missed the one at Sharpe---when was that one sold?
> > TL
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> > > California.
> > > Rod
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > > > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > > > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > > > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > >
> > > > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > > > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want
> one
> > > > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA
> engine?---What
> > > a
> > > > manly truck.
> > > > TL
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > > > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Moggers:
> > > >
> > > > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> > > second
> > > > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to
> be
> > > > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> > > >
> > > > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> > > "1017A
> > > > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > > > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> > > >
> > > > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was
> too
> > > far
> > > > in the allotted time.
> > > >
> > > > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today
> and
> > > were
> > > > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > > > dirt road ticket punched.
> > > >
> > > > Happy mogging.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Caid
> > > > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > > > (c) 619-994-0458
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brandon <brandon314 at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:31:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> My '65 German 404.1 Radiobox empty is right around 7950 w/ 1/2 a tank of
> fuel.
>
> So you can expect 8000-8600 depending upon what gear it has in it.
>
> Later!
>
>
> Brandon Mathis
> KD7INF
> brandon314 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brad Kosiba <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jack Miles
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> > To: Mog Mailing List
> > Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> >   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> > Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> > don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> > of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > - Jack Miles
> > Tampa, Florida
> >
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rob Wyatt <robwyatt at pacbell.net>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> I would definately check what John said, but given that it does run for a
> couple of seconds I would guess that the ECU is not fried, well, not totally
> fried.
> The first thing to figure is whether it is shutting down or just locking
> up. A decent CAN bus scanner should be able to tell you this, if it is
> shutting itself down something should go over the bus. On the other hard if
> the ECU just disappears from the bus its probably locking up. Is there is no
> engine light or anything? Has anybody tried a scanner?
>
> The ECU itself is pretty well protected but the stuff John said will cause
> problems. Was the truck shipped in a container or open to the sea air? If
> there is any sign of salt water corrosion I would pull the ECU out and
> totally clean the connector, some of the sensors are really low level
> signals and a bad connector would cause havok. Given that 2 ECUs have done
> the same thing I would guess it is something silly like this. I would also
> think that something like this would
> Another thing, after it has ran for 2 seconds, will it run again for 2
> seconds or does he have to wait? For the first second or so the ECU runs in
> 'startup' mode where it pretty much ignores most (not all) of the sensors
> and then when it gets stable signals it switches over to using them. Some of
> these sensors are absolutely critical, most ECUs will shutdown if they
> completely lose the position. The position could come from crank or cam
> sensors or both and some ECUs can deal with one of them going out by
> computing an estimate for the other but if it looses both it has no choice
> other than to stop. Something like this would be reported on the CAN bus and
> should put the engine light on,
> Is it somehow overheating, its doubtful in 2 seconds but it is possible.
> Another thing would be to hold the ECU in your hand while its running and
> see if its getting extremely hot.
> Unfortunately, problems like this can be a bitch to find.
> Rob
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 2:16 PM
>
>
> First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.
> Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time
> the
> cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have
> you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a
> voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead
> battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all
> kinds of
> electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the
> starter that will kill it.
>
> Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is
> correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis ground
> and
> to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test
> starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU
> while
> cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are
> able to
> get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can kill
> an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC current
> coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off
> position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick draw.
> Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster
> than it
> should.
>
> If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and
> test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not
> supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits
> to the
> ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a
> test
> light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage
> load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit
> value
> test for volt and  ohm readings.
>
> John Wessels
> Former U500 owner
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:
>
> He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,    the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
> sort
> of hard to help.
>
>
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jack Miles <jackk.miles at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:46:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> Awesome, thanks guys! I found an online source listing the curb weight
> at 8200, so your estimates fit right in line. That should do the
> truck.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Brandon <brandon314 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My '65 German 404.1 Radiobox empty is right around 7950 w/ 1/2 a tank of
> > fuel.
> >
> > So you can expect 8000-8600 depending upon what gear it has in it.
> >
> > Later!
> >
> >
> > Brandon Mathis
> > KD7INF
> > brandon314 at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brad Kosiba <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Jack Miles
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> >> To: Mog Mailing List
> >> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> >>
> >> Hey Guys,
> >>
> >>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> >> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> >> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> >> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
> >>
> >> - Jack Miles
> >> Tampa, Florida
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:54:28 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
> Kai,
>
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse
> to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the
> most
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for
> the
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU.
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>
> John Wessels
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
>
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Mog Mailing List'" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:12:45 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> Almost sounds like the anti theft keys in a dodge pickup truck.  If you use
> a non codded key it will start and run for 2 seconds Then it dies.  It will
> start up again and do the same thing.   After a short # of cycles
> supposedly
> according to the manual it will require a trip to the dealer to say
> everything is ok and allow the truck to start again...  I can't imagine its
> something as simple as this but may it is ... sometimes the simple things
> in
> life hurt you.
>
> So is he using the original KEY?   because it's the guts in the key that
> make it work not just cutting a new one. I had a key cut for my dodge
> simple
> to do but it only opens the door it will work in the ignition for about 2
> seconds as I said above.
>
> Start with the simple things :)
>
>
>
> David Ashley
> 87 U1250 VL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> EUROMOG at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:54 PM
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
>
> Kai,
>
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
>
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
>
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse
> to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the
> most
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
>
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for
> the
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU.
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>
> John Wessels
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
>
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rob Wyatt <robwyatt at pacbell.net>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> The CAN bus is so well documented and all the manufacturer specifc stuff is
> so well hacked that you should never ever need to use the factory tools to
> figure anything out. I made a trivial PC app that will control the gauges,
> write messages to the LCD in my audi and I am sure I could mess with the
> brakes and traction control too. Its kind of scary how easy it is especially
> because the PC tools will simply record the bus in real time and then you
> can analyze it, change it, play it back.
> Search the web for open source CAN bus tools and there are thousands of
> them, tons of them have all the manufacturer specific stuff. Most of them
> work with a simple CAN to USB converter and you use a regular PC. They
> quality and ease of use of the open source tools are light years ahead of
> the manufacturer tools.
> I guess you are looking at it from a mechanics point of view, I look at it
> from an embedded system/software point of view.
> Rob
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:54 PM
>
>
> Kai,
>
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light fuse
> to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode the
> most
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor for
> the
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU.
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>
> John Wessels
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
>
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
> stuff...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Kai,
> >
> > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
> about
> >  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
> you
> > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
> not
> > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you
> have
> > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that
> bus
> > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> >
> > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
> fuse to
> >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
> the
> > most
> > you could go  was 5MPH.
> >
> > I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it
> was
> > over
> > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
> for
> > the
> > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or
> the
> > ECU.
> > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
> >
> > John Wessels
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> >
> > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
> pump
> > on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience
> with
> > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bob Ragain <tenn404mogger at yahoo.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> U-1300L, best Unimog ever made :-)
> Bob
>
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> > To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:41 PM
> > I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more
> > and more everyday when I hear this
> > stuff...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com"
> > <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Kai,
> > >
> > > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the
> > procedure I wrote about
> > >  would be standard to vet out strange problems.
> > Scan tools are great if you
> > > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you
> > want to. The U500 does not
> > > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the
> > Mercedes STAR system to
> > > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole
> > story though. If you have
> > > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU
> > in the system can fail and
> > > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that
> > happens nothing on that bus
> > > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect
> > one ECU at a time until the
> > > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> > >
> > > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or
> > running. Did have  a
> > > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing
> > the back up light fuse to
> > >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to
> > the ECU. When that
> > > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp
> > mode. In the limp mode the
> > > most
> > > you could go  was 5MPH.
> > >
> > > I did have an intermittant problem with the
> > electro-hydralic radiator fan
> > > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would
> > not give full pressure
> > > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would
> > cause it to not go full
> > > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this
> > would only happen when it was
> > > over
> > > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I
> > replaced the coolant
> > > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and
> > the coolant temp sensor for
> > > the
> > > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left
> > were the EHA valve or the
> > > ECU.
> > > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was
> > corrected.
> > >
> > > John Wessels
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com
> > writes:
> > >
> > > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100%
> > mechanical injection pump
> > > on its  predecessors! John is this something you
> > know from experience with
> > > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mog mailing list
> > > Mog at tx4x4.com
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> > > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: n7mog at msn.com
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:30:30 +0000
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> I'm hating vehicular computers more & more each day!
> Bill
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> Sender: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53
> To: Mog Mailing List<mog at tx4x4.com>
> Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
> I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
> stuff...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Kai,
> >
> > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
> about
> >  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
> you
> > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
> not
> > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you
> have
> > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that
> bus
> > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> >
> > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
> fuse to
> >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
> the
> > most
> > you could go  was 5MPH.
> >
> > I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it
> was
> > over
> > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
> for
> > the
> > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or
> the
> > ECU.
> > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
> >
> > John Wessels
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> >
> > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
> pump
> > on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience
> with
> > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mog mailing list
> > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:57:29 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
>
> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
> 1.html
>
> Could it be any prettier...?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MPop5555 at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:33:45 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
>
>
> I like it!
>
> Mike Pop
> Eureka, NV
> Spring Lake, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:44:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Now if only I had a place to park it...
>
> paul
>
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 9:33 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
> >
> >
> > I like it!
> >
> > Mike Pop
> > Eureka, NV
> > Spring Lake, NJ
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MPop5555 at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:45:59 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> You can park it at my place.  Plenty of room and I will start it and  run
> it every now and then. ;-)
>
>
> Mike Pop
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: VWsandMOGs <vwsandmogs at volkswagenhaven.net>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:00:53 -0600
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> *Do* let us know how you manage to get it insured with ICBC!!!!
>
> Keith & Sharon Scott
>
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>
> 1956 VW "Magic" Bus
> 1963 ex-Swiss Unimog 404
> 1965 VW "Happy" Bus <--- now gone to a new home.
> 1967 Baja Bug - "Haja the Thunderbug" <---moved to his next home.
> 1971 Beetle - "Giggles" <--- gone too...
>
> http://www.volkswagenhaven.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2010-08-26, at 10:44 PM, Paul wrote:
>
> > Now if only I had a place to park it...
> >
> > paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10-08-26 9:33 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like it!
> >>
> >> Mike Pop
> >> Eureka, NV
> >> Spring Lake, NJ
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mog mailing list
> >> Mog at tx4x4.com
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> >> brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:08:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Paul,
>
> Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
>
>
> http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Truck.jpg
>
> Makes the windows look meaner
>
> Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might as well get
> the civilian interior:
>
>
> http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actros%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
>
> I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you could carry
> the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
>
> There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
>
>
> http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02a55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
>
> There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my liking but
> my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
>
>
> http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medium-97_5.jpg
>
> Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one time..... ')
>
> -Trev 8x8 envy.
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
> > 1.html<
> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html
> >
> >
> > Could it be any prettier...?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> To: n7mog at msn.com, Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:11:15 -0600
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> U1300L Limp mode:
>
> Regular MPT Style tire mixed with your 3 XM-47's because you ripped open a
> sidewall and can't afford to have a spare XM-47 ;)
>
> -Trev
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:30 PM, <n7mog at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm hating vehicular computers more & more each day!
> > Bill
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> > Sender: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53
> > To: Mog Mailing List<mog at tx4x4.com>
> > Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> >
> > I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
> > stuff...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Kai,
> > >
> > > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
> > about
> > >  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
> > you
> > > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
> > not
> > > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system
> to
> > > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you
> > have
> > > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can
> fail
> > and
> > > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that
> > bus
> > > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time
> until
> > the
> > > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> > >
> > > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have
>  a
> > > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
> > fuse to
> > >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> > > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
> > the
> > > most
> > > you could go  was 5MPH.
> > >
> > > I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator
> fan
> > > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> > pressure
> > > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> > > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it
> > was
> > > over
> > > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> > > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
> > for
> > > the
> > > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or
> > the
> > > ECU.
> > > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
> > >
> > > John Wessels
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> > >
> > > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
> > pump
> > > on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience
> > with
> > > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mog mailing list
> > > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> > > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:46:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Gracious as usual, thanks Mike!
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 10-08-26 9:45 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > You can park it at my place.  Plenty of room and I will start it and  run
> > it every now and then. ;-)
> >
> >
> > Mike Pop
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mog mailing list
> > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:50:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> OK, seriously, I thought I had a problem, but I am quite alright compared
> to
> you...
> I think I need a hard wood floor in the cab of whatever I buy next...
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 10-08-26 11:08 PM, "Trevor V" <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> >
> >
> http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Truc
> > k.jpg
> >
> > Makes the windows look meaner
> >
> > Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might as well
> get
> > the civilian interior:
> >
> >
> http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actros
> > %20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> >
> > I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you could carry
> > the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> >
> > There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> >
> >
> http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02a5
> > 5b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> >
> > There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my liking
> but
> > my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> >
> >
> http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medium
> > -97_5.jpg
> >
> > Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one time..... ')
> >
> > -Trev 8x8 envy.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
> >> 1.html<
> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured
> >> -t7852%0A1.html>
> >>
> >> Could it be any prettier...?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Joe O'Bremski" <joe.obremski at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:22:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Boy that would really solve Bill's larger camper issues ;)  You'd be able
> to
> compete with Kirt's MANN RV.
>
> On Aug 26, 2010 11:50 PM, "Paul" <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> OK, seriously, I thought I had a problem, but I am quite alright compared
> to
> you...
> I think I need a hard wood floor in the cab of whatever I buy next...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 11:08 PM, "Trevor V" <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Its very nice, but I pref...
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Joe O'Bremski" <joe.obremski at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:39:31 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 6th gear issues
> The conclusion:
>
> After getting the truck home and installing some replaced head bolts,
> apparently you need to look at the newton meters side of the torque wrench
> vs the foot lbs when torturing head bolts (likely why one had snapped
> during
> the tranny swap) I fired up the motor but the tranny had a little
> resistance.  I had the apply the clutch to start as starting in neutral
> would cause the motor to drag to much to turn, plus my battery was half
> dead.  After she started I could leave it idle in neutral with the clutch
> out but I had a loud moan from the tranny.  Hoping it was just dry I did an
> easy spin around the neighbor hood and it went away.
>
> We hit Logandale over the weekend and there is something to say about a
> working tranny.  Shifts great now, no more fighting gears, no more trying
> for 6th and loosing so much speed you have to go back to 5th and the EPA
> would be so proud, not 1 drop of oil from the tranny with all the new seals
> I installed, well from the tranny anyways ;)
>
>
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2010 10:01 AM, "David Dunn" <dsd277 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah Joe,
> > I've heard...
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On...
>
>
> >
> > Yes in Nevada we have the same over 10k towing deal but a simple test for
>
> > the J endorsement takes ca...
>
>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Mog at tx4x4.com
> http://tx4x4.com/mail...
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bradley Schmidt <bradleysschmidt at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:13:30 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> If you want a nice 8x8, get an M656.
>
> They float.
>
> Theoretically.
>
> I love mine.
>
> http://www.mogmsgexch.com/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=1384
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Doug HALKETT <dhalkett at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:53:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Out of curiosity what does an 8x8 actro cost?
>
> Cheers,
> Doug Halkett
> '64 404.1
> Surrey, BC
> http://members.shaw.ca/dhalkett
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> >
> >
> http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Truck.jpg
> >
> > Makes the windows look meaner
> >
> > Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might
> > as well get
> > the civilian interior:
> >
> >
> http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actros%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> >
> > I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you
> > could carry
> > the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> >
> > There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> >
> >
> http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02a55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> >
> > There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my
> > liking but
> > my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> >
> >
> http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medium-97_5.jpg
> >
> > Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one
> > time..... ')
> >
> > -Trev 8x8 envy.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-
> > armoured-t7852
> > > 1.html<http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-
> > actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html>
> > >
> > > Could it be any prettier...?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mog mailing list
> > > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
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> > > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
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> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:56:29 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Steyr 12 M 18 OT
> Other than what is available on google, does anyone have any personal
> knowledge or experience with the Steyr 12 M 18 series of trucks?
>
> I know they are a 5 ton, and all the technical details. I am looking for
> direct comparisons to a 1300L, such as noise level in the cab, fuel
> consumption, comfort, etc.
>
> Also I am having a hard time verifying the type of 4WD system it has. I've
> seen some info that says it is full time 4WD, with front, center and rear
> lockers and a high/low t-case. Is this correct?
>
> I am considering going to a larger platform for the next camper. I think
> the
> 1300L is still going to win out in the long run, but inquiring minds want
> to
> know...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Werner Roden <w.roden at online.de>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:13:09 +0200
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Steyr 12 M 18 OT
> Paul,
>
> we looked into the Steyr for a while for building up a bigger camper and if
> you want to go for a bigger platform its a good choice, roomy cab, good
> engine, faster than 1300, less noise. 5 ton is capacity, your info on the
> drivetrain is correct.
>
> Finaly we decided to stay with the 417 because we wanted  the most compact
> vehicle possible for camper with real 4x4 abilities.
>
> If you want some pics we took during this time when we looked up some Steyr
> i can mail them to you.
>
> hth, Werner
>
> Am 27.08.2010 16:56, schrieb Paul:
>
>> Other than what is available on google, does anyone have any personal
>> knowledge or experience with the Steyr 12 M 18 series of trucks?
>>
>> I know they are a 5 ton, and all the technical details. I am looking for
>> direct comparisons to a 1300L, such as noise level in the cab, fuel
>> consumption, comfort, etc.
>>
>> Also I am having a hard time verifying the type of 4WD system it has. I've
>> seen some info that says it is full time 4WD, with front, center and rear
>> lockers and a high/low t-case. Is this correct?
>>
>> I am considering going to a larger platform for the next camper. I think
>> the
>> 1300L is still going to win out in the long run, but inquiring minds want
>> to
>> know...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:17:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> No clue, but I think its a lil more than I can spend today...
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 10-08-27 7:53 AM, "Doug HALKETT" <dhalkett at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Out of curiosity what does an 8x8 actro cost?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doug Halkett
> > '64 404.1
> > Surrey, BC
> > http://members.shaw.ca/dhalkett
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> > To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> >
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Tru
> >> ck.jpg
> >>
> >> Makes the windows look meaner
> >>
> >> Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might
> >> as well get
> >> the civilian interior:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actro
> >> s%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> >>
> >> I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you
> >> could carry
> >> the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> >>
> >> There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> >>
> >>
> http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02a
> >> 55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> >>
> >> There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my
> >> liking but
> >> my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-mediu
> >> m-97_5.jpg
> >>
> >> Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one
> >> time..... ')
> >>
> >> -Trev 8x8 envy.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-
> >> armoured-t7852
> >>> 1.html<http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-
> >> actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html>
> >>>
> >>> Could it be any prettier...?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Mog mailing list
> >>> Mog at tx4x4.com
> >>> http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> >>> http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> >>> brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mog mailing list
> >> Mog at tx4x4.com
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> >> http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> >> brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >>
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> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: gerald vavra <kimosawboy1 at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:24:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
>
>
> The low side
>
> http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?lang=en&id=134196484&pageNumber=2&scopeId=TO75&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=8x8%2Bactros&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=TruckOver7500&segment=Truck&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&grossPrice=false&customerIdsAsString=&tabNumber=1
>
> To the high side
>
> http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?__lp=11&scopeId=TO75&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=8x8%2Bactros&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=TruckOver7500&segment=Truck&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&grossPrice=false&customerIdsAsString=&lang=en&id=115972698&pageNumber=10
>
> But you can always buy new.
>
> G. Vavra
> 66 404.1 Doka
> 71 416 with Crane
> Courtenay, BC
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:53:28 -0700
> > From: dhalkett at shaw.ca
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> >
> > Out of curiosity what does an 8x8 actro cost?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doug Halkett
> > '64 404.1
> > Surrey, BC
> > http://members.shaw.ca/dhalkett
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> > To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Truck.jpg
> > >
> > > Makes the windows look meaner
> > >
> > > Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might
> > > as well get
> > > the civilian interior:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actros%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> > >
> > > I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you
> > > could carry
> > > the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> > >
> > > There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> > >
> > >
> http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02a55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> > >
> > > There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my
> > > liking but
> > > my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medium-97_5.jpg
> > >
> > > Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one
> > > time..... ')
> > >
> > > -Trev 8x8 envy.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-
> > > armoured-t7852
> > > > 1.html<http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-
> > > actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html>
> > > >
> > > > Could it be any prettier...?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Mog mailing list
> > > > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > > > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> > > > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > > > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> > > >
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> > > Mog at tx4x4.com
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> > > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> > >
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>
>
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>

From cjguiao at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 04:16:02 2010
From: cjguiao at gmail.com (Christopher Guiao)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:16:02 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
Message-ID: <AANLkTikuoXAtBcW90xgu6XD=fyENyKcaO9W9KSZXXRb=@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I finally got the chance to do some troubleshooting on my 404, which died in
New Mexico last month and got towed back to California on a trailer. It
still somewhat shifted into a few gears, so i drained the tranny, filled it
with Amsoil 5w-30 MTF, and worked the shifter around a bit. As it is, I only
have 1st and 3rd, with no neutral. The neutral position acts like the gear
above it, ie neutral between 3 and 4 is third gear. Fwd/reverse selector
works, as does it's neutral range. Trying to shift into 2nd, 4th, 5th or 6th
results in the shifter not going into gear, a sound like that of a synchro
trying to work, and a heavy dragging on the speed of the truck, as if brakes
were applied. The mog is clean, straight, well outfitted. I want to keep it
and get it operational again. At this point I figure the cab and engine are
coming off/out. Would it be in my best interest to go for a crated tranny
from EI, or to try to tear mine down or find another used one? No gears were
ground/grenaded, there are no filings or gear chunks in the oil, but the
tranny was severely overheated while driving on road using sta-lube 80-90
GL4. Any tips are greatly appreciated!
 -CJ

PS- the previous owner tells me that this was once Scott Ingham's personal
404 years ago. When I bought it last year, it was a drop side '76 Belgian
pritche with a green cab and dark red drop sides. The axles and cab are
green, but show evidence of once being a deep red. Any truth to this?

From walderse at viclink.com  Sat Aug 28 09:42:41 2010
From: walderse at viclink.com (James Molloy)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:42:41 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuoXAtBcW90xgu6XD=fyENyKcaO9W9KSZXXRb=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikuoXAtBcW90xgu6XD=fyENyKcaO9W9KSZXXRb=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFFDB3A957F94F958C3CC2768233B1EE@EMILIE>

CJ,

I would suggest you save yourself a great deal of time and effort and
purchase a complete crated transmission. Unless you have the time, tools and
transmission rebuilding experience, this is not a gear box I would cut my
teeth on. If you have the facilities to do so, remove both cab and bed so as
to have clear and unrestricted access to all engine and driveline components
from above. 

While in that deep, take a good look at your clutch pressure plate, disc and
the throw out bearing. This would be an excellent time to replace those as
well as. I would also suggest using new lock tabs that secure the bolts that
mate the drive shafts to the transmission flanges. Also consider replacing
the transmission-to-driveshaft rubber boots. 

Finally, be sure to check the status of your driveshaft universal joints. If
a problem is noted, one can either replace the spider/bearing cups
themselves or go with a complete shaft assembly. Removing the cab and bed
are not a job you will want to do more than once although the second and
subsequent times will become much faster due to familiarity. 

Sounds like you have a good truck overall. As to original ownership, perhaps
Scott can enlighten you on this one. It may be a truck he imported and sold
but as time and ownership changed, it may have taken on the distinction of
being his personal truck.

Hope this helps.

Take care.

Jim Molloy
Waldersee Farm
http://www.northwestmogfest.com
http://www.volvo4x4.com



-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher Guiao
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:16 AM
To: Mog Mailing List
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes

Hi All,
I finally got the chance to do some troubleshooting on my 404, which died in
New Mexico last month and got towed back to California on a trailer. It
still somewhat shifted into a few gears, so i drained the tranny, filled it
with Amsoil 5w-30 MTF, and worked the shifter around a bit. As it is, I only
have 1st and 3rd, with no neutral. The neutral position acts like the gear
above it, ie neutral between 3 and 4 is third gear. Fwd/reverse selector
works, as does it's neutral range. Trying to shift into 2nd, 4th, 5th or 6th
results in the shifter not going into gear, a sound like that of a synchro
trying to work, and a heavy dragging on the speed of the truck, as if brakes
were applied. The mog is clean, straight, well outfitted. I want to keep it
and get it operational again. At this point I figure the cab and engine are
coming off/out. Would it be in my best interest to go for a crated tranny
from EI, or to try to tear mine down or find another used one? No gears were
ground/grenaded, there are no filings or gear chunks in the oil, but the
tranny was severely overheated while driving on road using sta-lube 80-90
GL4. Any tips are greatly appreciated!
 -CJ

PS- the previous owner tells me that this was once Scott Ingham's personal
404 years ago. When I bought it last year, it was a drop side '76 Belgian
pritche with a green cab and dark red drop sides. The axles and cab are
green, but show evidence of once being a deep red. Any truth to this?
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From scott at expedition-imports.com  Sat Aug 28 09:59:47 2010
From: scott at expedition-imports.com (Scott Ingham)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:59:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
Message-ID: <1283007587.v2.mailanyonewebmail-231162@fuse106>


Yep sounds like my "Napa Valley" rig, Originally a nice Cabernet color.  I
actually built it as a gift to the engineer that engineered my house.  He
used it for about 8 months,and called and politely asked if I could sell
it as he had a baby on the way and needed to do a renovation on his house
to make room.  Hence we brokerd it out to a customer in the Las Vegas
area.  At the time of sale it was a clean 404....over the years I had
gotten the impression it might have been well used at a mine in Nevada?

In regards to your transmission woes.  All of the parts needed for a
rebuild are available.  Usually if someone is doing it for their own
personal edification, then it may be worth it.  More than likely the cost
of bearings, synchro's, bushings, gaskets, seals, etc., will probably run
close to the cost of a crated unit.  We do have the specialty tools for
the repair in the rental program.  My guess is you have galled the lower
bushings to the bottom shaft.  Depending how bad it is you may or may not
need that shaft.  If you do, the cost of rebuild will far exceed the cost
of a crated unit.

The very first transmission I rebuilt was on my "Mean Mog" that was
purchased by Dr. Dan many many years ago.   I did it on a workbench at the
Maritime Academy with zero knowledge, zero special tools, etc.  At that
time some of the parts were not available so we made do with what we
could.  As I recall that unit lasted many years of crawling......  Moral
of the story, with enough interest it can be done with good results.

Good luck, I'll try and dig some pics of how your truck use to look.

Cheers,

Scott Ingham


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Guiao" <cjguiao at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 2:16
Subject:[MOG] 404 Transmission Woes


Hi All,
I finally got the chance to do some troubleshooting on my 404, which died in
New Mexico last month and got towed back to California on a trailer. It
still somewhat shifted into a few gears, so i drained the tranny, filled it
with Amsoil 5w-30 MTF, and worked the shifter around a bit. As it is, I only
have 1st and 3rd, with no neutral. The neutral position acts like the gear
above it, ie neutral between 3 and 4 is third gear. Fwd/reverse selector
works, as does it's neutral range. Trying to shift into 2nd, 4th, 5th or 6th
results in the shifter not going into gear, a sound like that of a synchro
trying to work, and a heavy dragging on the speed of the truck, as if brakes
were applied. The mog is clean, straight, well outfitted. I want to keep it
and get it operational again. At this point I figure the cab and engine are
coming off/out. Would it be in my best interest to go for a crated tranny
from EI, or to try to tear mine down or find another used one? No gears were
ground/grenaded, there are no filings or gear chunks in the oil, but the
tranny was severely overheated while driving on road using sta-lube 80-90
GL4. Any tips are greatly appreciated!
 -CJ

PS- the previous owner tells me that this was once Scott Ingham's personal
404 years ago. When I bought it last year, it was a drop side '76 Belgian
pritche with a green cab and dark red drop sides. The axles and cab are
green, but show evidence of once being a deep red. Any truth to this?
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From unimog at comcast.net  Sat Aug 28 10:00:46 2010
From: unimog at comcast.net (Unimog)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:00:46 -0500
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.
References: <ac44f4886daa32546d48a86977714a55@localhost><FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C707B05885@PHSXMB6.partners.org>
	<415522F085BC4C05AC5166E89DBA7FA2@bulletbaron>
Message-ID: <FDFD41395CB44BFC83BC2771B48A9068@bulletbaron>

Fred:

Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon Brand paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to match the faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!!

Also, still need to know how to hook up the "AMP" Gauge and/or where to get the proper voltage meter and its installation procedures.

And from a previous inquiry;

Also, concerning the round plugs on the unit, one on the dash and one on the left front fender (Convoy Light), are these two units "hot" all the time, and if not, how are they powered.

Any help will be appreciated since I am learning something new everyday on the Forum

THANKS to all

Dennis



From joe.obremski at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 10:10:00 2010
From: joe.obremski at gmail.com (Joe O'Bremski)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:10:00 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=u-1FFAfxnGL6Vuu5coL9jO+R+1CW6hRQO590G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikuoXAtBcW90xgu6XD=fyENyKcaO9W9KSZXXRb=@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFFDB3A957F94F958C3CC2768233B1EE@EMILIE>
	<AANLkTi=u-1FFAfxnGL6Vuu5coL9jO+R+1CW6hRQO590G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYM=VjKyGgeLAfnaarA=tP2Bdzf0uRCduMAL7n@mail.gmail.com>

Best to plan to do it at a location with a 2 post lift.  You need to pull
the front axle also so the whole truck needs to go up.  We cheated during my
tranny swap and left the rear axle in place pulling the tranny up and out
forward letting the rear drive shaft pull out of the rear torque tube.
Similar to how we rolled the front axle out.

Unless you get lucky with a junkyard pull like I did I would suggest a new
crate tranny for the amount of work it takes.

A general personal observation for those shopping for a 404; unless your
buying a parts truck, you will want to pass on purchasing a 404 with
"possible tranny issues".  ;)

On Aug 28, 2010 7:43 AM, "James Molloy" <walderse at viclink.com> wrote:

CJ,

I would suggest you save yourself a great deal of time and effort and
purchase a complete crated transmission. Unless you have the time, tools and
transmission rebuilding experience, this is not a gear box I would cut my
teeth on. If you have the facilities to do so, remove both cab and bed so as
to have clear and unrestricted access to all engine and driveline components
from above.

While in that deep, take a good look at your clutch pressure plate, disc and
the throw out bearing. This would be an excellent time to replace those as
well as. I would also suggest using new lock tabs that secure the bolts that
mate the drive shafts to the transmission flanges. Also consider replacing
the transmission-to-driveshaft rubber boots.

Finally, be sure to check the status of your driveshaft universal joints. If
a problem is noted, one can either replace the spider/bearing cups
themselves or go with a complete shaft assembly. Removing the cab and bed
are not a job you will want to do more than once although the second and
subsequent times will become much faster due to familiarity.

Sounds like you have a good truck overall. As to original ownership, perhaps
Scott can enlighten you on this one. It may be a truck he imported and sold
but as time and ownership changed, it may have taken on the distinction of
being his personal truck.

Hope this helps.

Take care.

Jim Molloy
Waldersee Farm
http://www.northwestmogfest.com
http://www.volvo4x4.com




-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf O...

From cfjones at clearwire.net  Sat Aug 28 10:43:01 2010
From: cfjones at clearwire.net (Frank)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:43:01 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.
References: <ac44f4886daa32546d48a86977714a55@localhost><FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C707B05885@PHSXMB6.partners.org><415522F085BC4C05AC5166E89DBA7FA2@bulletbaron>
	<FDFD41395CB44BFC83BC2771B48A9068@bulletbaron>
Message-ID: <000001cb46c9$56b3b5e0$0502a8c0@pc>

The dash plug is for a hand lamp, and it is always hot.
The one on the front left fender is for the blackout light, and it is 
energized in the blackout mode by the headlight switch.
If you have not already done so, you need to get the 404 Instruction Manual. 
There is a lot of info in it, and unless you suffer a major breakdown, it 
will get you through all operation and routine maintenance issues.
Frank in Wa.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Unimog" <unimog at comcast.net>
To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:00 AM
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.


> Fred:
>
> Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint 
> information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon 
> Brand paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to 
> match the faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!!
>
> Also, still need to know how to hook up the "AMP" Gauge and/or where to 
> get the proper voltage meter and its installation procedures.
>
> And from a previous inquiry;
>
> Also, concerning the round plugs on the unit, one on the dash and one on 
> the left front fender (Convoy Light), are these two units "hot" all the 
> time, and if not, how are they powered.
>
> Any help will be appreciated since I am learning something new everyday on 
> the Forum
>
> THANKS to all
>
> Dennis
>
>
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From walderse at viclink.com  Sat Aug 28 10:57:46 2010
From: walderse at viclink.com (James Molloy)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.
In-Reply-To: <FDFD41395CB44BFC83BC2771B48A9068@bulletbaron>
References: <ac44f4886daa32546d48a86977714a55@localhost><FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C707B05885@PHSXMB6.partners.org><415522F085BC4C05AC5166E89DBA7FA2@bulletbaron>
	<FDFD41395CB44BFC83BC2771B48A9068@bulletbaron>
Message-ID: <3B3D2181B99D4A7F8DBD79221DE3941B@EMILIE>

Dennis,

If you are trying to rehab a Swiss truck back to original color, you might
want to look at Swiss Army Vehicles' spray cans. I know they received new
stock from Germany about three months ago. We did some touch-up work on an
ex-Swiss Haflinger and it is as close a match as you will find. Similar
paint may be available from other suppliers as well. 

Hope this helps.

Jim Molloy
Waldersee Farm
http://www.northwestmogfest.com
http://www.volvo4x4.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
Unimog
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:01 AM
To: Mog Mailing List
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.

Fred:

Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint
information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon Brand
paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to match the
faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!!

Also, still need to know how to hook up the "AMP" Gauge and/or where to get
the proper voltage meter and its installation procedures.

And from a previous inquiry;

Also, concerning the round plugs on the unit, one on the dash and one on the
left front fender (Convoy Light), are these two units "hot" all the time,
and if not, how are they powered.

Any help will be appreciated since I am learning something new everyday on
the Forum

THANKS to all

Dennis


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From scott at expedition-imports.com  Sat Aug 28 11:10:15 2010
From: scott at expedition-imports.com (Scott Ingham)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:10:15 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=S7J3-QPJ3KLgzrca8ogVJJYO_k8y-z7QDRtNt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=S7J3-QPJ3KLgzrca8ogVJJYO_k8y-z7QDRtNt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019401cb46cb$812a4e90$837eebb0$@com>

SGS inspections on a Unimog vehicle purchase are not worth the money.  They
will confirm what it is, what it is equipped with, etc.  However, when it
comes down to assessing the mechanicals of the vehicle you would be much
better finding the closest Unimog vendor to the vehicles location and having
them do the inspection.  We deal with SGS for letter of credit transactions,
but their expertise is much more of a technical export kind.....ie is their
638 widgets, is the documentation in order, are the widgets manufactured in
Botswanna, proper country of manufacture markings, etc., etc.  If you want a
true detailed inspection, it should be done by a mechanic with direct Unimog
knowledge.  We find that most Unimog companies are more than willing to
inspect for a fee.

Cheers,


Scott Ingham
Expedition Imports
225 Bennett Ave., Ste A
Vallejo, CA  94590
Phone - 707-643-6757
Fax - 707-643-2998
www.expedition-imports.com


-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Steyn
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:13 PM
To: mog
Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500

Good day Chip,

I would be grateful if you could send me the details of SGS in Germany for
vehicle inspections.

With thanks.
Martin Steyn
Durban, South Africa
U1300L

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David W Bryan" <Aucadet at suddenlink.net>
> To: <Mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:24:17 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when
> shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and
> straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
> Aucadet
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:13:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
>
> I think this is pertinent to most 4x4s with autolocking hubs, Fords come
to
> mind. I've never had an issue with this in the Mog driving down the
highway.
> I often have to shift in and out of 4WD in Tahoe in the winter months
going
> from main roads to side roads, dry to icy.
> If you have disimilar sized tires between front and back, you will get
> tension in the transmission and the 4WD will not release properly.
>
> Currently I am running a pair of retreads on the right and a pair of
> regrooved tires on the left, there is no issue with tension unless I lock
> the diffs and that would only happen in poor traction where the tires are
> slipping anyway. There's about 1" difference in diameter and the diffs
will
> handle that elsewhere. I should note here that I have a set of tires
waiting
> to go on, but didn't when I mounted this set up. Also, tire disposal is
$$$
> here due to the physical volume and transportation costs. Can't see usable
> tires going to waste either.
>
> Originally had the larger set on the front and when returning to 2WD it
> would eventually release with a loud disturbing thud. Quick rotation and
all
> has been well since.
> Rod
>
> > From: Aucadet at suddenlink.net
> > To: Mog at tx4x4.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:24:17 -0700
> > Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> >
> > I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when
> shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and
> straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> > Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would
> apply.
> > Aucadet
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
> To: "Bill Caid (Yahoo)" <bcaid at yahoo.com>, Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com
> >
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want one
> for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA engine?---What
a
> manly truck.
> TL
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
>
>
> Moggers:
>
> I have been a very bad boy.  First in capital equipment purchases and
> second
> in posting tardy photos.  We have several hundred photos that need to be
> vetted, then annotated and posted.
>
> But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> "1017A
> Experiment" for your viewing pleasure.  See
> http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
>
> More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting them.
>
> Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too
> far
> in the allotted time.
>
> We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> were
> turned back each time due to road closures.    That said, we did get our
> dirt road ticket punched.
>
> Happy mogging.
>
> Bill Caid
> bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
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>
>
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Serrano, Kai HS" <kai.serrano at hs.utc.com>
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:38:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
> Aucadet,Yes the Mog will do the same thing. Once the vehicle is
> straightened out or tire slippage occurs the 4wd will disengage. Until it
> does you may notice the Mog turning less sharply hear noises of tires
> scuffing the ground and feel a drag. If you need to make a particularly
> sharp turn on a trail then it is best to disengage 4WD just before that
> section. A quick jab of the throttle may also cause some slippage to help
> the dog clutches unload and release. Due to the fact that there is no 4WD
> indicator light on a Mog some people may think that the 4wd disengages on
> command...It does not. It only disengages after load is removed from the
dog
> clutch sufficiently for the return spring to move it over. You do not need
> to back up the Mog as it serves no purpose. Kai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> David W Bryan
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:24 AM
> To: Mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: [MOG] Shifting Lock Up
>
> I don't know if it is pertinent to the Unimogs but most 4x4 trucks when
> shifted into four wheel drive will not come out unless you reverse and
> straighten the wheels. Something to do with gear loading!
> Perhaps someone should try this method next time to see if it would apply.
> Aucadet
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:19:48 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
>
> I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> California.
> Rod
>
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> >
> > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want
one
> > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA
engine?---What
> a
> > manly truck.
> > TL
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> >
> >
> > Moggers:
> >
> > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> second
> > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to be
> > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> >
> > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> "1017A
> > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> >
> > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> them.
> >
> > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was too
> far
> > in the allotted time.
> >
> > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today and
> were
> > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > dirt road ticket punched.
> >
> > Happy mogging.
> >
> > Bill Caid
> > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > (c) 619-994-0458
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: terry lane <twlane57 at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:22:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> Hi Rod--I guessed I missed the one at Sharpe---when was that one sold?
> TL
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> > California.
> > Rod
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > >
> > > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I want
> one
> > > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA
> engine?---What
> > a
> > > manly truck.
> > > TL
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Moggers:
> > >
> > > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> > second
> > > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to
be
> > > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> > >
> > > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of the
> > "1017A
> > > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> > >
> > > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> > them.
> > >
> > > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was
> too
> > far
> > > in the allotted time.
> > >
> > > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today
and
> > were
> > > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get our
> > > dirt road ticket punched.
> > >
> > > Happy mogging.
> > >
> > > Bill Caid
> > > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > > (c) 619-994-0458
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chip Clarke <chrstn64sails at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:37:01 -0400
> Subject: [MOG] Rant - U500
> So I have been away playing head paper towel boy in the gulf for the
> summer.
>   Last spring I come up with the great idea to help a good friend in
Canada
> get a U500 in Germany.    I was working over there during the winter and
> part of the early spring.   I travel the 130 km to Munich look at the
U500,
>  nice rig no issues.     Test drove it,  basically drives like a 4x4 cab
> over.   but it fits my friends plans so I am happy to help him out.   I
> make
> arrangements to have the truck inspected by SGS in Germany who I deal with
> on a regular basis.    They go out and for 1200 euro  find a diesel mech
> who
> comes down and looks at the truck.  No issues at all.   My friend wires
the
> money and the truck is going to Hamburg for shipment to Ontario.    We get
> the truck to Hamburg with no issues.  Otherwise the truck arrives in
Canada
> in May.   No problems.  A good friend helps clear the truck and all is
> well.
>     My friend in Ontario who bought the truck gets his truck and is happy.
>  I am happy to help,  he is happy - life is good.       Maybe not.
>
> I get a call while I am in the Gulf about the truck.    He didn't move the
> truck for a week and went out to start it (he stores it in his garage)
and
> the truck starts for literally 2 seconds and dies.    He called a Unimog
> dealer (Uthemann)  in Hamburg (he speaks perfect Plattedeutsche) and tells
> them the problem.   Looks like it is the ECU/ECM          Long story short
> ECM mapping was somehow screwed up.   I didn't get the whole story but he
> ordered a new unit from Freightliner in Ontario at a cost of 2900 CAD.
>  Unit came in.   He had a local dealership (freightliner)  install it.
> Worked fine for three weeks and died again.     Mercedes will not give any
> warranty or guarantee coverage for this item.  He is now expected to pay
> another 3K  for a ECM ??
>
> He did notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues ?     Freightliner is really clueless,   the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
sort
> of hard to help.
>
> Anyone else stuck with these problems.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chip Clarke <chrstn64sails at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:42:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Mog red tape?
> I am not an expert, heck I can't even say I know exactly what I am talking
> about -- but from experience  I can tell you anything that is 25 years or
> older is mostly exempt.    Find a decent broker when you want to return
and
> have them do the entry.    I keep a car in Germany (a 2007 Chrysler
minivan
> !) and when my contract expires in 2014 I may either sell or bring it
back.
>  As long as I have my documentation it should not be a problem at all ,
so
> I am told.   It doesn't really matter where the vehicle is coming from but
> from a regulation standpoint where it was manufactured.   Obviously a
truck
> coming back from Colombia might be eyed a little differently than a truck
> coming from the UK.
>
> I have had a local friend help me import a couple of my mogs and I can
tell
> you the older models are simple.   Just make sure it is spotless and
clean.
>   !!
>
>
> Chip C...
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:16:19 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
> First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.
> Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time
> the
> cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have
> you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a
> voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead
> battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all
> kinds of
> electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the
> starter that will kill it.
>
> Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is
> correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis
ground
> and
> to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test
> starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU
> while
> cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are
> able to
> get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can
kill
> an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC
current
> coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off
> position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick
draw.
> Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster
> than it
> should.
>
> If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and
> test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not
> supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits
> to the
> ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a
> test
> light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage
> load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit
> value
> test for volt and  ohm readings.
>
> John Wessels
> Former U500 owner
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:
>
> He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,
the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
>  sort
> of hard to help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jack Miles <jackk.miles at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:22:41 -0400
> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> Hey Guys,
>
>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
> Tampa, Florida
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Serrano, Kai HS" <kai.serrano at hs.utc.com>
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:25:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> Holy Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection pump
> on its predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> EUROMOG at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:16 PM
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
>
>
> First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.
> Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time
> the
> cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have
> you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a
> voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead
> battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all
> kinds of
> electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the
> starter that will kill it.
>
> Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is
> correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis
ground
> and
> to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test
> starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU
> while
> cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are
> able to
> get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can
kill
> an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC
current
> coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off
> position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick
draw.
> Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster
> than it
> should.
>
> If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and
> test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not
> supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits
> to the
> ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a
> test
> light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage
> load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit
> value
> test for volt and  ohm readings.
>
> John Wessels
> Former U500 owner
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:
>
> He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,
the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
>  sort
> of hard to help.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Brad Kosiba" <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com>
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:27:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> Jack Miles
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> To: Mog Mailing List
> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
>
> Hey Guys,
>
>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
> Tampa, Florida
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mog mailing list
> Mog at tx4x4.com
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> brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:28:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
>
> Last year sometime I think.
>
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:22:56 -0700
> > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> >
> > Hi Rod--I guessed I missed the one at Sharpe---when was that one sold?
> > TL
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Rod MacLean <tahoemacs at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I was thinking Sharpe depot, Terry. Either way, it'll be home in
> > > California.
> > > Rod
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:24 -0700
> > > > From: twlane57 at gmail.com
> > > > To: bcaid at yahoo.com; mog at tx4x4.com
> > > > Subject: [MOG] Fwd: Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > >
> > > > Man that 1017A looks familiar.--Looks just like the one that was at
> > > > YERMO/Barstow a while back on GL at auction.--Nice truck.------I
want
> one
> > > > for a delivery truck. Does it have an OM352A or an OM366LA
> engine?---What
> > > a
> > > > manly truck.
> > > > TL
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: William Caid <bcaid at yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
> > > > Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Alamosa, CO
> > > > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Moggers:
> > > >
> > > > I have been a very bad boy. First in capital equipment purchases and
> > > second
> > > > in posting tardy photos. We have several hundred photos that need to
> be
> > > > vetted, then annotated and posted.
> > > >
> > > > But, to kick this party off right, I started with a few photos of
the
> > > "1017A
> > > > Experiment" for your viewing pleasure. See
> > > > http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part30/Part30.html
> > > >
> > > > More trip photos will continue tomorrow after I finish downselecting
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry that we missed NWMF, we would have ilked to attend, but it was
> too
> > > far
> > > > in the allotted time.
> > > >
> > > > We attempted to cross the Sangre de Christo range at 3 points today
> and
> > > were
> > > > turned back each time due to road closures. That said, we did get
our
> > > > dirt road ticket punched.
> > > >
> > > > Happy mogging.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Caid
> > > > bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile)
> > > > (c) 619-994-0458
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brandon <brandon314 at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:31:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> My '65 German 404.1 Radiobox empty is right around 7950 w/ 1/2 a tank of
> fuel.
>
> So you can expect 8000-8600 depending upon what gear it has in it.
>
> Later!
>
>
> Brandon Mathis
> KD7INF
> brandon314 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brad Kosiba <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jack Miles
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> > To: Mog Mailing List
> > Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> >   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> > Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> > don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> > of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> > - Jack Miles
> > Tampa, Florida
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mog mailing list
> > Mog at tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com
> > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com
> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rob Wyatt <robwyatt at pacbell.net>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> I would definately check what John said, but given that it does run for a
> couple of seconds I would guess that the ECU is not fried, well, not
totally
> fried.
> The first thing to figure is whether it is shutting down or just locking
> up. A decent CAN bus scanner should be able to tell you this, if it is
> shutting itself down something should go over the bus. On the other hard
if
> the ECU just disappears from the bus its probably locking up. Is there is
no
> engine light or anything? Has anybody tried a scanner?
>
> The ECU itself is pretty well protected but the stuff John said will cause
> problems. Was the truck shipped in a container or open to the sea air? If
> there is any sign of salt water corrosion I would pull the ECU out and
> totally clean the connector, some of the sensors are really low level
> signals and a bad connector would cause havok. Given that 2 ECUs have done
> the same thing I would guess it is something silly like this. I would also
> think that something like this would
> Another thing, after it has ran for 2 seconds, will it run again for 2
> seconds or does he have to wait? For the first second or so the ECU runs
in
> 'startup' mode where it pretty much ignores most (not all) of the sensors
> and then when it gets stable signals it switches over to using them. Some
of
> these sensors are absolutely critical, most ECUs will shutdown if they
> completely lose the position. The position could come from crank or cam
> sensors or both and some ECUs can deal with one of them going out by
> computing an estimate for the other but if it looses both it has no choice
> other than to stop. Something like this would be reported on the CAN bus
and
> should put the engine light on,
> Is it somehow overheating, its doubtful in 2 seconds but it is possible.
> Another thing would be to hold the ECU in your hand while its running and
> see if its getting extremely hot.
> Unfortunately, problems like this can be a bitch to find.
> Rob
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 2:16 PM
>
>
> First items I would check would be the engine to chassis to cab grounds.
> Also when you have a tilting cab the wire harness gets flexed every time
> the
> cab  is tilted. Could be a fractured wire in the harness. Beyond that have
> you asked  if anyone is jump starting the Mog? Somehow you are getting a
> voltage/amperage  surge to and or through the ECU. A jump start on a dead
> battery will do it. A  battery that is connected backwards will fry all
> kinds of
> electronics. If the  ground path goes through the ECU while cranking the
> starter that will kill it.
>
> Make sure you have a NEW battery. Make sure polarity of the cables is
> correct. Perform a voltage drop test from the battery to the chassis
ground
> and
> to the engine ground. Repeat test on positive cable to starter. Test
> starter  cranking amperage draw. Check the available voltage at the ECU
> while
> cranking.  Less than 11.5 volts you have a problem somewhere. If you are
> able to
> get the  truck running test for operating voltage. Too high and it can
kill
> an ECU. Also  perform a diode test on the altenator. If you have AC
current
> coming out of it  that will also kill the ECU. With the key in the off
> position use the milliamp  setting to check for excessive parasettick
draw.
> Anything more than 150ma you  have a problem draining the battery faster
> than it
> should.
>
> If all of the above testing finds nothing you need to unplug the ECU and
> test each circuit in the harness for a short to ground that it is not
> supposed  to have. You also need to verify that all power supply circuits
> to the
> ECU have  full voltage. Also verify all ground circuits are intact. Use a
> test
> light for  this last test so you know the circuit will carry an amperage
> load. You will  need a wire schematic for this and perferebly a circuit
> value
> test for volt and  ohm readings.
>
> John Wessels
> Former U500 owner
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:38:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> chrstn64sails at gmail.com writes:
>
> He did  notice that just before it failed the gauges all will go to their
> stop  position twice and come back on again.  This was happening the last
> few
> days before his second failure.
>
>
> Anyone else had these issues  ?     Freightliner is really clueless,
the
> dealer in Hamburg is being helpful but seeing they are 3500 miles away
> sort
> of hard to help.
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jack Miles <jackk.miles at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:46:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> Awesome, thanks guys! I found an online source listing the curb weight
> at 8200, so your estimates fit right in line. That should do the
> truck.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Jack Miles
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Brandon <brandon314 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My '65 German 404.1 Radiobox empty is right around 7950 w/ 1/2 a tank of
> > fuel.
> >
> > So you can expect 8000-8600 depending upon what gear it has in it.
> >
> > Later!
> >
> >
> > Brandon Mathis
> > KD7INF
> > brandon314 at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brad Kosiba <brad.kosiba at irvmat.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I weighed mine a couple months ago.  I think it was 8450 lbs.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Jack Miles
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> >> To: Mog Mailing List
> >> Subject: [MOG] 404.1 Radio Truck Weight
> >>
> >> Hey Guys,
> >>
> >>   I am going with a friend next week to pick up a Unimog, its a Radio
> >> Box (Not a Swiss, maybe German?), seems to be 100% complete, though I
> >> don't know about the interior of the box. Anyone know the curb weight
> >> of such a truck? Much appreciated! Thanks!
> >>
> >> - Jack Miles
> >> Tampa, Florida
> >>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:54:28 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
> Kai,
>
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
fuse
> to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
the
> most
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
for
> the
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU.
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>
> John Wessels
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
>
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Mog Mailing List'" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:12:45 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> Almost sounds like the anti theft keys in a dodge pickup truck.  If you
use
> a non codded key it will start and run for 2 seconds Then it dies.  It
will
> start up again and do the same thing.   After a short # of cycles
> supposedly
> according to the manual it will require a trip to the dealer to say
> everything is ok and allow the truck to start again...  I can't imagine
its
> something as simple as this but may it is ... sometimes the simple things
> in
> life hurt you.
>
> So is he using the original KEY?   because it's the guts in the key that
> make it work not just cutting a new one. I had a key cut for my dodge
> simple
> to do but it only opens the door it will work in the ignition for about 2
> seconds as I said above.
>
> Start with the simple things :)
>
>
>
> David Ashley
> 87 U1250 VL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
> EUROMOG at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:54 PM
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
>
> Kai,
>
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
>
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
>
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
fuse
> to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
the
> most
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
>
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
for
> the
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU.
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>
> John Wessels
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
>
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
>
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rob Wyatt <robwyatt at pacbell.net>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> The CAN bus is so well documented and all the manufacturer specifc stuff
is
> so well hacked that you should never ever need to use the factory tools to
> figure anything out. I made a trivial PC app that will control the gauges,
> write messages to the LCD in my audi and I am sure I could mess with the
> brakes and traction control too. Its kind of scary how easy it is
especially
> because the PC tools will simply record the bus in real time and then you
> can analyze it, change it, play it back.
> Search the web for open source CAN bus tools and there are thousands of
> them, tons of them have all the manufacturer specific stuff. Most of them
> work with a simple CAN to USB converter and you use a regular PC. They
> quality and ease of use of the open source tools are light years ahead of
> the manufacturer tools.
> I guess you are looking at it from a mechanics point of view, I look at it
> from an embedded system/software point of view.
> Rob
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: EUROMOG at aol.com <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:54 PM
>
>
> Kai,
>
> I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
about
>  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
you
> have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
not
> have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system to
> plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you have
> several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that bus
> will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> CAN bus wakes up  again.
>
> I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
fuse
> to
>  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
the
> most
> you could go  was 5MPH.
>
> I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator fan
> system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it was
> over
> 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
for
> the
> ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or the
> ECU.
> Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
>
> John Wessels
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
>
> Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
pump
> on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience with
> yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
>
>
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
> stuff...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Kai,
> >
> > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
> about
> >  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
> you
> > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
> not
> > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system
to
> > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you
> have
> > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that
> bus
> > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> >
> > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
> fuse to
> >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
> the
> > most
> > you could go  was 5MPH.
> >
> > I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator
fan
> > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it
> was
> > over
> > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
> for
> > the
> > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or
> the
> > ECU.
> > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
> >
> > John Wessels
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> >
> > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
> pump
> > on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience
> with
> > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bob Ragain <tenn404mogger at yahoo.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:13:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> U-1300L, best Unimog ever made :-)
> Bob
>
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> > To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:41 PM
> > I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more
> > and more everyday when I hear this
> > stuff...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com"
> > <EUROMOG at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Kai,
> > >
> > > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the
> > procedure I wrote about
> > >  would be standard to vet out strange problems.
> > Scan tools are great if you
> > > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you
> > want to. The U500 does not
> > > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the
> > Mercedes STAR system to
> > > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole
> > story though. If you have
> > > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU
> > in the system can fail and
> > > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that
> > happens nothing on that bus
> > > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect
> > one ECU at a time until the
> > > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> > >
> > > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or
> > running. Did have  a
> > > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing
> > the back up light fuse to
> > >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to
> > the ECU. When that
> > > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp
> > mode. In the limp mode the
> > > most
> > > you could go  was 5MPH.
> > >
> > > I did have an intermittant problem with the
> > electro-hydralic radiator fan
> > > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would
> > not give full pressure
> > > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would
> > cause it to not go full
> > > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this
> > would only happen when it was
> > > over
> > > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I
> > replaced the coolant
> > > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and
> > the coolant temp sensor for
> > > the
> > > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left
> > were the EHA valve or the
> > > ECU.
> > > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was
> > corrected.
> > >
> > > John Wessels
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com
> > writes:
> > >
> > > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100%
> > mechanical injection pump
> > > on its  predecessors! John is this something you
> > know from experience with
> > > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Mog at tx4x4.com
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> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: n7mog at msn.com
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:30:30 +0000
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> I'm hating vehicular computers more & more each day!
> Bill
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> Sender: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53
> To: Mog Mailing List<mog at tx4x4.com>
> Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
>
> I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
> stuff...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Kai,
> >
> > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
> about
> >  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great if
> you
> > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500 does
> not
> > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system
to
> > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you
> have
> > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can fail
> and
> > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that
> bus
> > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time until
> the
> > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> >
> > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have  a
> > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
> fuse to
> >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp mode
> the
> > most
> > you could go  was 5MPH.
> >
> > I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator
fan
> > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> pressure
> > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go full
> > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it
> was
> > over
> > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp sensor
> for
> > the
> > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or
> the
> > ECU.
> > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
> >
> > John Wessels
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> >
> > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
> pump
> > on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience
> with
> > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mog mailing list
> > Mog at tx4x4.com
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>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:57:29 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
>
>
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
> 1.html
>
> Could it be any prettier...?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MPop5555 at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:33:45 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
>
>
> I like it!
>
> Mike Pop
> Eureka, NV
> Spring Lake, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:44:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Now if only I had a place to park it...
>
> paul
>
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 9:33 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
> >
> >
> > I like it!
> >
> > Mike Pop
> > Eureka, NV
> > Spring Lake, NJ
> >
> >
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>
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: MPop5555 at aol.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:45:59 EDT
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> You can park it at my place.  Plenty of room and I will start it and  run
> it every now and then. ;-)
>
>
> Mike Pop
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: VWsandMOGs <vwsandmogs at volkswagenhaven.net>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:00:53 -0600
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> *Do* let us know how you manage to get it insured with ICBC!!!!
>
> Keith & Sharon Scott
>
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>
> 1956 VW "Magic" Bus
> 1963 ex-Swiss Unimog 404
> 1965 VW "Happy" Bus <--- now gone to a new home.
> 1967 Baja Bug - "Haja the Thunderbug" <---moved to his next home.
> 1971 Beetle - "Giggles" <--- gone too...
>
> http://www.volkswagenhaven.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2010-08-26, at 10:44 PM, Paul wrote:
>
> > Now if only I had a place to park it...
> >
> > paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10-08-26 9:33 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It looks a little more robust than a HMMT.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like it!
> >>
> >> Mike Pop
> >> Eureka, NV
> >> Spring Lake, NJ
> >>
> >>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:08:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Paul,
>
> Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
>
>
>
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Tr
uck.jpg
>
> Makes the windows look meaner
>
> Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might as well
get
> the civilian interior:
>
>
>
http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actr
os%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
>
> I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you could carry
> the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
>
> There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
>
>
>
http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02
a55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
>
> There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my liking but
> my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
>
>
>
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medi
um-97_5.jpg
>
> Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one time..... ')
>
> -Trev 8x8 envy.
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
> > 1.html<
>
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
%0A1.html
> >
> >
> > Could it be any prettier...?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> To: n7mog at msn.com, Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:11:15 -0600
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> U1300L Limp mode:
>
> Regular MPT Style tire mixed with your 3 XM-47's because you ripped open a
> sidewall and can't afford to have a spare XM-47 ;)
>
> -Trev
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:30 PM, <n7mog at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm hating vehicular computers more & more each day!
> > Bill
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> > Sender: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:41:53
> > To: Mog Mailing List<mog at tx4x4.com>
> > Reply-To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Rant - U500
> >
> > I'm liking my 23 year old 1300L more and more everyday when I hear this
> > stuff...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10-08-26 3:54 PM, "EUROMOG at aol.com" <EUROMOG at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Kai,
> > >
> > > I have had ECU's in euro cars fail randomly and the procedure I wrote
> > about
> > >  would be standard to vet out strange problems. Scan tools are great
if
> > you
> > > have  one that will communicate with the ECU you want to. The U500
does
> > not
> > > have a  standard OBDII port. So then you need the Mercedes STAR system
> to
> > > plug in. Scan  tools don't always tell the whole story though. If you
> > have
> > > several ECU's  connected to a CAN bus another ECU in the system can
> fail
> > and
> > > cause the whole  CAN bus to go down. Once that happens nothing on that
> > bus
> > > will work properly.  Then you have to disconnect one ECU at a time
> until
> > the
> > > CAN bus wakes up  again.
> > >
> > > I never had a problem with the U500 not starting or running. Did have
>  a
> > > problem with the back up horn on the trailer causing the back up light
> > fuse to
> > >  blow. That fuse also supplied a power circuit to the ECU. When that
> > > circuit had  no power the ECU would go into limp mode. In the limp
mode
> > the
> > > most
> > > you could go  was 5MPH.
> > >
> > > I did have an intermittant problem with the electro-hydralic radiator
> fan
> > > system. Sometimes the electro-hydralic actuator would not give full
> > pressure
> > > to  the hydralic radiator fan motor. That would cause it to not go
full
> > > speed and  cause overheating. Of course this would only happen when it
> > was
> > > over
> > > 100 degrees  F outside but not all the time. I replaced the coolant
> > > thermostat, cracked  expansion tank and cap and the coolant temp
sensor
> > for
> > > the
> > > ECU. Problem was  still there so only items left were the EHA valve or
> > the
> > > ECU.
> > > Got rid of the  truck before the problem was corrected.
> > >
> > > John Wessels
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/26/2010 2:26:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > kai.serrano at hs.utc.com writes:
> > >
> > > Holy  Crap! There is much to be said for the 100% mechanical injection
> > pump
> > > on its  predecessors! John is this something you know from experience
> > with
> > > yours?  Have a good one!  Kai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:46:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Gracious as usual, thanks Mike!
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 10-08-26 9:45 PM, "MPop5555 at aol.com" <MPop5555 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > You can park it at my place.  Plenty of room and I will start it and
run
> > it every now and then. ;-)
> >
> >
> > Mike Pop
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mog mailing list
> > Mog at tx4x4.com
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> > brought to you by http://www.installer.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:50:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> OK, seriously, I thought I had a problem, but I am quite alright compared
> to
> you...
> I think I need a hard wood floor in the cab of whatever I buy next...
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 10-08-26 11:08 PM, "Trevor V" <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> >
> >
>
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Tr
uc
> > k.jpg
> >
> > Makes the windows look meaner
> >
> > Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might as well
> get
> > the civilian interior:
> >
> >
>
http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actr
os
> > %20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> >
> > I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you could
carry
> > the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> >
> > There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> >
> >
>
http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02
a5
> > 5b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> >
> > There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my liking
> but
> > my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> >
> >
>
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medi
um
> > -97_5.jpg
> >
> > Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one time..... ')
> >
> > -Trev 8x8 envy.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured-t7852
> >> 1.html<
> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-armoured
> >> -t7852%0A1.html>
> >>
> >> Could it be any prettier...?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Joe O'Bremski" <joe.obremski at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:22:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Boy that would really solve Bill's larger camper issues ;)  You'd be able
> to
> compete with Kirt's MANN RV.
>
> On Aug 26, 2010 11:50 PM, "Paul" <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> OK, seriously, I thought I had a problem, but I am quite alright compared
> to
> you...
> I think I need a hard wood floor in the cab of whatever I buy next...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 10-08-26 11:08 PM, "Trevor V" <tkv000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Its very nice, but I pref...
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Joe O'Bremski" <joe.obremski at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:39:31 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 6th gear issues
> The conclusion:
>
> After getting the truck home and installing some replaced head bolts,
> apparently you need to look at the newton meters side of the torque wrench
> vs the foot lbs when torturing head bolts (likely why one had snapped
> during
> the tranny swap) I fired up the motor but the tranny had a little
> resistance.  I had the apply the clutch to start as starting in neutral
> would cause the motor to drag to much to turn, plus my battery was half
> dead.  After she started I could leave it idle in neutral with the clutch
> out but I had a loud moan from the tranny.  Hoping it was just dry I did
an
> easy spin around the neighbor hood and it went away.
>
> We hit Logandale over the weekend and there is something to say about a
> working tranny.  Shifts great now, no more fighting gears, no more trying
> for 6th and loosing so much speed you have to go back to 5th and the EPA
> would be so proud, not 1 drop of oil from the tranny with all the new
seals
> I installed, well from the tranny anyways ;)
>
>
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2010 10:01 AM, "David Dunn" <dsd277 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah Joe,
> > I've heard...
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On...
>
>
> >
> > Yes in Nevada we have the same over 10k towing deal but a simple test
for
>
> > the J endorsement takes ca...
>
>
> >
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bradley Schmidt <bradleysschmidt at gmail.com>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:13:30 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> If you want a nice 8x8, get an M656.
>
> They float.
>
> Theoretically.
>
> I love mine.
>
> http://www.mogmsgexch.com/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=1384
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Doug HALKETT <dhalkett at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:53:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> Out of curiosity what does an 8x8 actro cost?
>
> Cheers,
> Doug Halkett
> '64 404.1
> Surrey, BC
> http://members.shaw.ca/dhalkett
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> >
> >
>
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Tr
uck.jpg
> >
> > Makes the windows look meaner
> >
> > Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might
> > as well get
> > the civilian interior:
> >
> >
>
http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actr
os%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> >
> > I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you
> > could carry
> > the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> >
> > There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> >
> >
>
http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02
a55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> >
> > There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my
> > liking but
> > my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> >
> >
>
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medi
um-97_5.jpg
> >
> > Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one
> > time..... ')
> >
> > -Trev 8x8 envy.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-
> > armoured-t7852
> > > 1.html<http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-
> > actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html>
> > >
> > > Could it be any prettier...?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mog mailing list
> > > Mog at tx4x4.com
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:56:29 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] Steyr 12 M 18 OT
> Other than what is available on google, does anyone have any personal
> knowledge or experience with the Steyr 12 M 18 series of trucks?
>
> I know they are a 5 ton, and all the technical details. I am looking for
> direct comparisons to a 1300L, such as noise level in the cab, fuel
> consumption, comfort, etc.
>
> Also I am having a hard time verifying the type of 4WD system it has. I've
> seen some info that says it is full time 4WD, with front, center and rear
> lockers and a high/low t-case. Is this correct?
>
> I am considering going to a larger platform for the next camper. I think
> the
> 1300L is still going to win out in the long run, but inquiring minds want
> to
> know...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Werner Roden <w.roden at online.de>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:13:09 +0200
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Steyr 12 M 18 OT
> Paul,
>
> we looked into the Steyr for a while for building up a bigger camper and
if
> you want to go for a bigger platform its a good choice, roomy cab, good
> engine, faster than 1300, less noise. 5 ton is capacity, your info on the
> drivetrain is correct.
>
> Finaly we decided to stay with the 417 because we wanted  the most compact
> vehicle possible for camper with real 4x4 abilities.
>
> If you want some pics we took during this time when we looked up some
Steyr
> i can mail them to you.
>
> hth, Werner
>
> Am 27.08.2010 16:56, schrieb Paul:
>
>> Other than what is available on google, does anyone have any personal
>> knowledge or experience with the Steyr 12 M 18 series of trucks?
>>
>> I know they are a 5 ton, and all the technical details. I am looking for
>> direct comparisons to a 1300L, such as noise level in the cab, fuel
>> consumption, comfort, etc.
>>
>> Also I am having a hard time verifying the type of 4WD system it has.
I've
>> seen some info that says it is full time 4WD, with front, center and rear
>> lockers and a high/low t-case. Is this correct?
>>
>> I am considering going to a larger platform for the next camper. I think
>> the
>> 1300L is still going to win out in the long run, but inquiring minds want
>> to
>> know...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca>
> To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:17:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> No clue, but I think its a lil more than I can spend today...
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 10-08-27 7:53 AM, "Doug HALKETT" <dhalkett at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Out of curiosity what does an 8x8 actro cost?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doug Halkett
> > '64 404.1
> > Surrey, BC
> > http://members.shaw.ca/dhalkett
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> > To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> >
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Tr
u
> >> ck.jpg
> >>
> >> Makes the windows look meaner
> >>
> >> Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might
> >> as well get
> >> the civilian interior:
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actr
o
> >> s%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> >>
> >> I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you
> >> could carry
> >> the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> >>
> >> There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> >>
> >>
>
http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02
a
> >> 55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> >>
> >> There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my
> >> liking but
> >> my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medi
u
> >> m-97_5.jpg
> >>
> >> Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one
> >> time..... ')
> >>
> >> -Trev 8x8 envy.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-
> >> armoured-t7852
> >>> 1.html<http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-
> >> actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html>
> >>>
> >>> Could it be any prettier...?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: gerald vavra <kimosawboy1 at hotmail.com>
> To: <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:24:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
>
>
> The low side
>
>
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?lang=en&id=134196484&page
Number=2&scopeId=TO75&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortO
rder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelDescrip
tion=8x8%2Bactros&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2
.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCate
gory=TruckOver7500&segment=Truck&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&dama
geUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&grossPrice=false&customer
IdsAsString=&tabNumber=1
>
> To the high side
>
>
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?__lp=11&scopeId=TO75&sort
Option.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVa
riant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=8x8%2Bactros&makeMode
lVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&ma
keModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=TruckOver7500&segment
=Truck&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNR
EPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&grossPrice=false&customerIdsAsString=&lang=en&id=11
5972698&pageNumber=10
>
> But you can always buy new.
>
> G. Vavra
> 66 404.1 Doka
> 71 416 with Crane
> Courtenay, BC
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:53:28 -0700
> > From: dhalkett at shaw.ca
> > To: mog at tx4x4.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> >
> > Out of curiosity what does an 8x8 actro cost?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doug Halkett
> > '64 404.1
> > Surrey, BC
> > http://members.shaw.ca/dhalkett
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Trevor V <tkv000 at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [MOG] Found the platform for my new camper
> > To: Mog Mailing List <mog at tx4x4.com>
> >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > Its very nice, but I prefer the desert paintjob:
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/May07/22_Armored_Mercedes_Benz_Actros_Tr
uck.jpg
> > >
> > > Makes the windows look meaner
> > >
> > > Also, if you were to ever afford to custom order one, you might
> > > as well get
> > > the civilian interior:
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.ikincielkamyonlar.com/galeri/data/media/40/!New%20mercedes%20Actr
os%20--%20New%20mercedes%20actros%20photos.jpg
> > >
> > > I think the wood slates make it look very Unicat-ish, and you
> > > could carry
> > > the theme throughout your uber-camper :)
> > >
> > > There's also the civilian "Trust Edition" Interior:
> > >
> > >
>
http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/af399b961721ecb3d8f0cab02
a55b58f/Mercedes_Benz_Actros_1860_Trust_Edition_156501_20081112.jpg
> > >
> > > There's also the Eames Chair inspired passanger seat, not to my
> > > liking but
> > > my wife really likes Mid Century Modern stuff:
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/truck_gallery/medium/MERCEDESActros-medi
um-97_5.jpg
> > >
> > > Not that I was mildly obsessed with the 8x8 actro's at one
> > > time..... ')
> > >
> > > -Trev 8x8 envy.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul <unimog61 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-actros-8x8-
> > > armoured-t7852
> > > > 1.html<http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/mercedes-benz-
> > > actros-8x8-armoured-t7852%0A1.html>
> > > >
> > > > Could it be any prettier...?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From imjustdave at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 28 11:11:50 2010
From: imjustdave at hotmail.com (David Ashley)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:11:50 -0700
Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure    ????
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS55773833D89E2ADC83576C5870@phx.gbl>

I know this isn't exactly Unimog topic  but with an upcoming employment
option I'm looking at 100+ mile a day in commuting and I'm thinking a Bike
maybe more of a friend then my 3500 Dully dodge LOL     I know someone here
must ride and or read about the BMW 1200 GS Adventure  and must know of a
few web site to recommend for reading?

 

 

David Ashley 

87 U1250 VL 

 


From scott at expedition-imports.com  Sat Aug 28 11:26:08 2010
From: scott at expedition-imports.com (Scott Ingham)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:26:08 -0700
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.
In-Reply-To: <FDFD41395CB44BFC83BC2771B48A9068@bulletbaron>
References: <ac44f4886daa32546d48a86977714a55@localhost><FEF6459A70AA124884A22F9FC7C271C707B05885@PHSXMB6.partners.org>	<415522F085BC4C05AC5166E89DBA7FA2@bulletbaron>
	<FDFD41395CB44BFC83BC2771B48A9068@bulletbaron>
Message-ID: <019801cb46cd$b8f6e7a0$2ae4b6e0$@com>

Hi Dennis,

No experience with the Krylon.  If you want to go higher end automotive
paint we have the "recipe" for the PPG Dell Fleet original semi gloss OD
paint.  Exact match to original, but not inexpensive and designed for full
painting with hardeners, flattening agent, etc.  Great option for a full
repaint, not so much for touchup.

You should be able to run your gauge off the B+ or 61 terminals on the
voltage regulator.  I don't have a schematic in front of me, but as I recall
you can use one of the 2.

Your dash plug should be powered at all times when the battery key is on.
The plug on the left front nose clip is tied into the blackout light switch
circuit.

Cheers,


Scott Ingham
Expedition Imports
225 Bennett Ave., Ste A
Vallejo, CA  94590
Phone - 707-643-6757
Fax - 707-643-2998
www.expedition-imports.com


-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
Unimog
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:01 AM
To: Mog Mailing List
Subject: [MOG] Swiss 404 metal-protecting touch-up paint.

Fred:

Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint
information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon Brand
paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to match the
faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!!

Also, still need to know how to hook up the "AMP" Gauge and/or where to get
the proper voltage meter and its installation procedures.

And from a previous inquiry;

Also, concerning the round plugs on the unit, one on the dash and one on the
left front fender (Convoy Light), are these two units "hot" all the time,
and if not, how are they powered.

Any help will be appreciated since I am learning something new everyday on
the Forum

THANKS to all

Dennis


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From unimog61 at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 28 12:32:24 2010
From: unimog61 at shaw.ca (Paul)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:32:24 -0700
Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure    ????
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-DS55773833D89E2ADC83576C5870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C89E9638.557%unimog61@shaw.ca>

I ride, and I commuted with a bike for two years.

I couldn't afford the fuel or the car at the time and it was my only real
option. 
I wouldn't recommend using a bike to commute with unless the climate
permitted it. As in, its ALWAYS nice.

Riding a bike in the rain sucks and is dangerous. People are not expecting a
bike. Riding a 100 miles on a GS 1200 will use as much fuel as an economy
car. A Jetta Diesel burns 4.5 litres per 100km , which is 52 miles per
gallon, comparable to a yaris etc. A 1200 GS is rated at 4.3 litres per
100km, or 54 miles per gallon.  Personally I think it will burn more, but
that is the stated rating.

Having commuted on a bike and travelled on a bike for the last 10 years, its
my belief that motorbikes are for playing, and cars are for commuting.

Having said all that. I love the GS. It is an awesome comfortable bike.

FWIW
Paul



On 10-08-28 9:11 AM, "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I know this isn't exactly Unimog topic  but with an upcoming employment
> option I'm looking at 100+ mile a day in commuting and I'm thinking a Bike
> maybe more of a friend then my 3500 Dully dodge LOL     I know someone here
> must ride and or read about the BMW 1200 GS Adventure  and must know of a
> few web site to recommend for reading?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> David Ashley 
> 
> 87 U1250 VL 
> 
>  
> 
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From grizzly7_j at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 28 12:39:07 2010
From: grizzly7_j at hotmail.com (jason ritchie)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:39:07 +0000
Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure    ????
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-DS55773833D89E2ADC83576C5870@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-DS55773833D89E2ADC83576C5870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL107-W3748D8376BAD5CDEA5C79DA4870@phx.gbl>


http://www.ukgser.com/forums/

 

http://www.advrider.com/

 

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/bmw-tech/

 

I have a normal '05 1200GS, and at 5'6" can't reach the floor both sides with "proper" boots. The Adventure is a fair bit taller. Having test riden a new 4 valve Adv it makes a nicer noise but I can't tell its making more power. Better panniers, similar but cheaper gps, clothing etc etc is available outside the BMW showrooms from lots of places! The Beemer Rallye jacket is really good though, with loads of venting. 

KTM Adv is sportier. Ducati's version of a GS is supposed to be fab on tarmac, Aprillia will follow suit later in the year.

 

Many pricey bits available from 

 

http://www.touratech.com/shops/008/index.php?cPath=3&osCsid=47e0f959394c9b9941111003edadfde1

 

Have fun 

 

Jason

 

:)=

 

 


 
> From: imjustdave at hotmail.com
> To: mog at tx4x4.com
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:11:50 -0700
> Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ????
> 
> I know this isn't exactly Unimog topic but with an upcoming employment
> option I'm looking at 100+ mile a day in commuting and I'm thinking a Bike
> maybe more of a friend then my 3500 Dully dodge LOL I know someone here
> must ride and or read about the BMW 1200 GS Adventure and must know of a
> few web site to recommend for reading?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David Ashley 
> 
> 87 U1250 VL 
> 
> 
> 
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From walderse at viclink.com  Sat Aug 28 12:57:10 2010
From: walderse at viclink.com (James Molloy)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:57:10 -0700
Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure    ????
In-Reply-To: <C89E9638.557%unimog61@shaw.ca>
References: <SNT124-DS55773833D89E2ADC83576C5870@phx.gbl>
	<C89E9638.557%unimog61@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FEDDD8720C447DC95956E2B9480BE5B@EMILIE>

To hell with the weather. Screw fuel economy. Go with the earliest version
of the GS...sort of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9gBNlgkpw

Take care.

Jim Molloy
Waldersee Farm
http://www.northwestmogfest.com
http://www.volvo4x4.com



-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:32 AM
To: Mog Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ????

I ride, and I commuted with a bike for two years.

I couldn't afford the fuel or the car at the time and it was my only real
option. 
I wouldn't recommend using a bike to commute with unless the climate
permitted it. As in, its ALWAYS nice.

Riding a bike in the rain sucks and is dangerous. People are not expecting a
bike. Riding a 100 miles on a GS 1200 will use as much fuel as an economy
car. A Jetta Diesel burns 4.5 litres per 100km , which is 52 miles per
gallon, comparable to a yaris etc. A 1200 GS is rated at 4.3 litres per
100km, or 54 miles per gallon.  Personally I think it will burn more, but
that is the stated rating.

Having commuted on a bike and travelled on a bike for the last 10 years, its
my belief that motorbikes are for playing, and cars are for commuting.

Having said all that. I love the GS. It is an awesome comfortable bike.

FWIW
Paul



On 10-08-28 9:11 AM, "David Ashley" <imjustdave at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I know this isn't exactly Unimog topic  but with an upcoming employment
> option I'm looking at 100+ mile a day in commuting and I'm thinking a Bike
> maybe more of a friend then my 3500 Dully dodge LOL     I know someone
here
> must ride and or read about the BMW 1200 GS Adventure  and must know of a
> few web site to recommend for reading?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> David Ashley 
> 
> 87 U1250 VL 
> 
>  
> 
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From cjguiao at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 12:57:26 2010
From: cjguiao at gmail.com (Christopher Guiao)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:57:26 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYM=VjKyGgeLAfnaarA=tP2Bdzf0uRCduMAL7n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikuoXAtBcW90xgu6XD=fyENyKcaO9W9KSZXXRb=@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFFDB3A957F94F958C3CC2768233B1EE@EMILIE>
	<AANLkTi=u-1FFAfxnGL6Vuu5coL9jO+R+1CW6hRQO590G@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimYM=VjKyGgeLAfnaarA=tP2Bdzf0uRCduMAL7n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPt+yiWw3PyE61E=f5b69w7eytTJvukiSCigB8@mail.gmail.com>

I was more or less figuring crated transmission was going to be the best
option.. I've read everything I could find on 404 trans swaps, and have seen
several methods. The previous owner of the camper, Luke Miller, sent me some
photos of the process with the cab and box removed. The transmission swap
shown on RMM looks like the VLF box was left in place. I have access to a
shop through the on base services offered here, but leaving a truck there
for an extended period of time starts racking up fees at an alarming rate.
I'm considering constructing a large hoisting frame and doing it that way.
Looks like it's going to be a long expensive road with this one, but  I'm
going to fix it somehow. I figure my radiobox weighs at least 2500 lbs,
outfitted with cabinetry and whatnot as it is. Does anyone have the weights
for the soft top cab and transmission on hand?
Thanks,
CJ


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Joe O'Bremski <joe.obremski at gmail.com>wrote:

> Best to plan to do it at a location with a 2 post lift.  You need to pull
> the front axle also so the whole truck needs to go up.  We cheated during
> my
> tranny swap and left the rear axle in place pulling the tranny up and out
> forward letting the rear drive shaft pull out of the rear torque tube.
> Similar to how we rolled the front axle out.
>
> Unless you get lucky with a junkyard pull like I did I would suggest a new
> crate tranny for the amount of work it takes.
>
> A general personal observation for those shopping for a 404; unless your
> buying a parts truck, you will want to pass on purchasing a 404 with
> "possible tranny issues".  ;)
>
> On Aug 28, 2010 7:43 AM, "James Molloy" <walderse at viclink.com> wrote:
>
> CJ,
>
> I would suggest you save yourself a great deal of time and effort and
> purchase a complete crated transmission. Unless you have the time, tools
> and
> transmission rebuilding experience, this is not a gear box I would cut my
> teeth on. If you have the facilities to do so, remove both cab and bed so
> as
> to have clear and unrestricted access to all engine and driveline
> components
> from above.
>
> While in that deep, take a good look at your clutch pressure plate, disc
> and
> the throw out bearing. This would be an excellent time to replace those as
> well as. I would also suggest using new lock tabs that secure the bolts
> that
> mate the drive shafts to the transmission flanges. Also consider replacing
> the transmission-to-driveshaft rubber boots.
>
> Finally, be sure to check the status of your driveshaft universal joints.
> If
> a problem is noted, one can either replace the spider/bearing cups
> themselves or go with a complete shaft assembly. Removing the cab and bed
> are not a job you will want to do more than once although the second and
> subsequent times will become much faster due to familiarity.
>
> Sounds like you have a good truck overall. As to original ownership,
> perhaps
> Scott can enlighten you on this one. It may be a truck he imported and sold
> but as time and ownership changed, it may have taken on the distinction of
> being his personal truck.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Take care.
>
> Jim Molloy
> Waldersee Farm
> http://www.northwestmogfest.com
> http://www.volvo4x4.com
>
>
>
>
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From cjguiao at gmail.com  Sat Aug 28 14:20:27 2010
From: cjguiao at gmail.com (Christopher Guiao)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:20:27 -0700
Subject: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
In-Reply-To: <451601.85473.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Glad to hear the cab can be man handled off of the truck.. I suppose once
it's unbolted, I'll just get a bunch of guys to come out and yank it off. We
got the pritche/subframe off easily enough in that manner with four, but
don't think it weighed as much as the cab. It's amazing what Marines will do
for promise of lots of cold beer! Maybe I'll just grab the whole machinegun
squad..

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Nathaniel Lee <n1bnc at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I feel your pain!
>
> When I did my engine swap, it took 4 guys, one in each corner of the cab,
> after the steering box was dropped to carry it off. So figure maybe 200# or
> so.
>
> I have the ambulance box. So reinstalling the cab will be very similar. I
> ended up keeping the front low and the rear of the cab high to get around
> the shifters and whatnot. Have 4 STRONG guys put it on while you watch for
> everything getting in the way on the way down. It only took about 10
> minutes, but its high in the air and the guys get tired after a while!
>
> Good luck on the project.
>
> Nat Lee
> Somersworth, NH
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Christopher Guiao <cjguiao at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Christopher Guiao <cjguiao at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 Transmission Woes
> To: "Mog Mailing List" <mog at tx4x4.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 1:57 PM
>
>
> I was more or less figuring crated transmission was going to be the best
> option.. I've read everything I could find on 404 trans swaps, and have
> seen
> several methods. The previous owner of the camper, Luke Miller, sent me
> some
> photos of the process with the cab and box removed. The transmission swap
> shown on RMM looks like the VLF box was left in place. I have access to a
> shop through the on base services offered here, but leaving a truck there
> for an extended period of time starts racking up fees at an alarming rate.
> I'm considering constructing a large hoisting frame and doing it that way.
> Looks like it's going to be a long expensive road with this one, but  I'm
> going to fix it somehow. I figure my radiobox weighs at least 2500 lbs,
> outfitted with cabinetry and whatnot as it is. Does anyone have the weights
> for the soft top cab and transmission on hand?
> Thanks,
> CJ
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Joe O'Bremski <joe.obremski at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=joe.obremski at gmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> > Best to plan to do it at a location with a 2 post lift.  You need to pull
> > the front axle also so the whole truck needs to go up.  We cheated during
> > my
> > tranny swap and left the rear axle in place pulling the tranny up and out
> > forward letting the rear drive shaft pull out of the rear torque tube.
> > Similar to how we rolled the front axle out.
> >
> > Unless you get lucky with a junkyard pull like I did I would suggest a
> new
> > crate tranny for the amount of work it takes.
> >
> > A general personal observation for those shopping for a 404; unless your
> > buying a parts truck, you will want to pass on purchasing a 404 with
> > "possible tranny issues".  ;)
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010 7:43 AM, "James Molloy" <walderse at viclink.com<http://mc/compose?to=walderse at viclink.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > CJ,
> >
> > I would suggest you save yourself a great deal of time and effort and
> > purchase a complete crated transmission. Unless you have the time, tools
> > and
> > transmission rebuilding experience, this is not a gear box I would cut my
> > teeth on. If you have the facilities to do so, remove both cab and bed so
> > as
> > to have clear and unrestricted access to all engine and driveline
> > components
> > from above.
> >
> > While in that deep, take a good look at your clutch pressure plate, disc
> > and
> > the throw out bearing. This would be an excellent time to replace those
> as
> > well as. I would also suggest using new lock tabs that secure the bolts
> > that
> > mate the drive shafts to the transmission flanges. Also consider
> replacing
> > the transmission-to-driveshaft rubber boots.
> >
> > Finally, be sure to check the status of your driveshaft universal joints.
> > If
> > a problem is noted, one can either replace the spider/bearing cups
> > themselves or go with a complete shaft assembly. Removing the cab and bed
> > are not a job you will want to do more than once although the second and
> > subsequent times will become much faster due to familiarity.
> >
> > Sounds like you have a good truck overall. As to original ownership,
> > perhaps
> > Scott can enlighten you on this one. It may be a truck he imported and
> sold
> > but as time and ownership changed, it may have taken on the distinction
> of
> > being his personal truck.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Take care.
> >
> > Jim Molloy
> > Waldersee Farm
> > http://www.northwestmogfest.com
> > http://www.volvo4x4.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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From scaddan at pacifier.com  Sat Aug 28 23:52:41 2010
From: scaddan at pacifier.com (Robert S. Cascaddan)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:52:41 -0700
Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure    ????
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I commute year-round on a motorcycle.  I live in the Inland Empire of
Southern California and have been on a motorcycle in rain, in temperatures
down to the teens, with ice on the ground, and in the heat of the Coachella
Valley in the summertime.  I don't own a BMW 1200 GS Adventure, but I have
ridden it and it is the bike I would like to own when I can afford it.  (I
just replaced a dead `84 Goldwing with a 2008 KLR 650.)  I used to work as a
motorcycle courier and have lane-split more miles than most people ride in
their entire life.  I have owned a couple of older BMW's and am a big fan of
them.  They are the only motorcycle built specifically for commuting.  I
think that a motorcycle is the only way to commute in Southern California.
It does require a certain level of commitment, however.  Hit me off-list,
and I will be glad to go into more detail.  

Bob
scaddan at verizon.com 



-----Original Message-----
From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of
David Ashley
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:12 AM
To: 'Mog Mailing List'
Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ????

I know this isn't exactly Unimog topic  but with an upcoming employment
option I'm looking at 100+ mile a day in commuting and I'm thinking a Bike
maybe more of a friend then my 3500 Dully dodge LOL     I know someone here
must ride and or read about the BMW 1200 GS Adventure  and must know of a
few web site to recommend for reading?

 

 

David Ashley 

87 U1250 VL 

 

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