From unimog at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 08:25:26 2010 From: unimog at comcast.net (Unimog) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:25:26 -0500 Subject: [MOG] Unimog Mirrors!? References:

Message-ID: <3BF872B21A6C45FBBD6DA34403E52ECA@bulletbaron> Offering for sale is a pair of: Mercedes Benz Unimog 404 416 Mirrors Military New I purchased them off of ebay (1904265114060 ) and they will not mount correctly on my Swiss Unit, most likely for a German unit!!. If anyone is interested, I am asking $50.00 for the pair and that includes UPS Shipping. I hope I am not violating any rules of this Forum, just selling items that I cannot use. Please advise me if I am!!! THANKS Dennis From unimog at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 08:27:40 2010 From: unimog at comcast.net (Unimog) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:27:40 -0500 Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint References:

Message-ID: <143BBDFD01DE430BA0064FB50BCD33BD@bulletbaron> Fred: Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon Brand paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to match the faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!! THANKS Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Debros, Frederic M.,Md To: Mog Mailing List Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOG] WD-40 fixes it? interesting, thanks. there are the 12.5r20 tires that will add oomph too on the highway. then there is the fuel injected m130 but then you get in trouble with not enough air ... i have toyed with the idea of an m130 upgrade to my rustbucket but gave up because of costs vs benefit. i went for a dumpster conversion instead, lost of course the flexibility of the chassis but for my use that will do. but i sure dont get 85kph out of my 180! 60 max. next time i get a belgian pritsche 404.0 with the pto.... best fred ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Kirk Haines Sent: Mon 8/30/2010 5:16 PM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: Re: [MOG] WD-40 fixes it? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Debros, Frederic M.,Md wrote: > you have an m130 and an m180....which one is faster and does it make a > difference? The M130. Hands down. The M180 was never a weak runner, but the M130 is great to drive. I have a self imposed speed limit of 80kph, generally. I might creep to 85kph now and again, but usually try to average no more than 80kph. So, either one will pull those speeds. The difference, though, is that I CAN go a lot faster a lot more easily with the M130. Where I notice it is hills. Driving around SE Wyoming, at altitudes of 4000-5000 feet, I don't need to downshift on any of the normal paved roads, and that makes driving it on the highway a lot nicer. I also have a 1972 250 sedan with an M130 in it, and while it won't snap your neck with acceleration, it is very nice to drive because it is very smooth power, and it seems like at any reasonable highway speeds it always has enough torque to go faster if needed for passing. However, you do pay for the M130 in your 404.1 in some other respects. The Zenith 35/40 INAT carbs from the sedans, that were the original equipment, are just monsters to try to get tuned if they are not adjusted right. Weber 32/36 DG*V carbs are, with the spacer kit from them, a very simple bolt-on upgrade, BUT you have to figure out how to make your throttle linkage work (the moggy one just doesn't work right with the Weber carbs), route a choke cable if you go with a manual choke (and I am still having problems with mine -- the cable needs to take a sharper turn than it wants to, so it binds up), and potentially deal with air cleaner fitment issues. Solve those things, and the Webers are great, at least for on-highway and modestly off-camber stuff. I haven't had the truck on anything with really wild angles to get a good sense of what the limits of the Webers are, though. The 32NDIX carbs from the M180 won't bolt directly up to the sedan manifolds. So, using them is an option only if one wants to do more work. They would have the advantage of having great off-camber behavior, but probably don't deliver quite the performance of the Webers. Also, there is a difference in heat production from the M130. It produces a LOT more. I had a faulty thermostat that was causing me to overheat grossly on even cool days, so I just yanked it out since right now the days are still quite warm, and now the truck will stay passably cool even on 100 degree days, so long as I'm not high revving too much at 1st or 2nd gear speeds. On my todo list before next summer, though, is to get a new radiator built, as the existing one (which was, from the looks of it, custom-cobbled for the truck after the engine was swapped) seems like it could be improved upon. I'm not sure if I'd do it for a truck that is going to see a lot of highway miles in order to get to places to drive offroad, or a lot of onroad use hauling things around, but for a more dedicated offroad rig, I would _seriously_ consider propane. I have a couple of engines -- an M180 with HC head and another M130, and I am considering making one of my trucks a dedicated offroad truck running on propane with either the HC head or an M130 swap. It would eliminate all those pesky carb/fuel pump issues, and would reliably run no matter how off camber the truck becomes. Kirk Haines 1960 German 404.1 w/ M130 1963 Swiss 404.1 w/ M180 _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com From MPop5555 at aol.com Tue Aug 31 08:30:15 2010 From: MPop5555 at aol.com (MPop5555 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:30:15 EDT Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint Message-ID: <3f8f.7f87364.39ae5de7@aol.com> Stay away from Aervoe military paint. I painted a couple trailers and within a year, they faded to gray. But I guess it's better than the pink color that others have experienced. Just my 2 euros. Mike Pop Eureka, NV From kai.serrano at hs.utc.com Tue Aug 31 08:43:51 2010 From: kai.serrano at hs.utc.com (Serrano, Kai HS) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:43:51 -0400 Subject: [MOG] And....WD-40 fixes it? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <7F0970A5BE8AEC47BF5AE82B0FFA44E90119F449@UUSMNEL3.na.utcmail.com> Well carbon trails can deposit when the spark is traveling between electrodes inside the cap. If it is originally caused by water or not once the carbon trails form they must be removed to completely fix the problem. Spraying the wd 40 should be followed up by wiping any of the dissolved grime and carbon out of the inside of the cap with a clean rag. -----Original Message----- From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Haines Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:18 PM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: Re: [MOG] And....WD-40 fixes it? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Paul wrote: > I guess there was some water under the cap. Yeah, maybe. I would have thought, so long as I have had the truck, though, that any water would have evaporated. But I can't argue with the night and day result. A 2 second squirt has given me more great-running miles with this truck than I have had since I bought it (a year ago). Kirk Haines _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com From wyhaines at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 08:51:03 2010 From: wyhaines at gmail.com (Kirk Haines) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:51:03 -0600 Subject: [MOG] And....WD-40 fixes it? In-Reply-To: <7F0970A5BE8AEC47BF5AE82B0FFA44E90119F449@UUSMNEL3.na.utcmail.com> References:

<7F0970A5BE8AEC47BF5AE82B0FFA44E90119F449@UUSMNEL3.na.utcmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Serrano, Kai HS wrote: > Well carbon trails can deposit when the spark is traveling between electrodes inside the cap. If it is originally caused by water or not once the carbon trails form they must be removed to completely fix the problem. Spraying the wd 40 should be followed up by wiping any of the dissolved grime and carbon out of the inside of the cap with a clean rag. The cap itself was pretty clean. That was a step I took early on. I pulled it and thoroughly wiped it clean. I am going to be ordering a new cap, and then either a Pertronix or new points and condensor, and will see about giving the whole distributor a thorough once over when that stuff comes in. Kirk Haines 1960 German 404.1 w/ M130 1963 Swiss 404.1 w/ M180 From FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG Tue Aug 31 09:52:51 2010 From: FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG (Debros, Frederic M.,Md) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:52:51 -0400 Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint References:

<143BBDFD01DE430BA0064FB50BCD33BD@bulletbaron> Message-ID: ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Unimog Sent: Tue 8/31/2010 9:27 AM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint Fred: Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon Brand paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to match the faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!! THANKS Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Debros, Frederic M.,Md To: Mog Mailing List Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOG] WD-40 fixes it? interesting, thanks. there are the 12.5r20 tires that will add oomph too on the highway. then there is the fuel injected m130 but then you get in trouble with not enough air ... i have toyed with the idea of an m130 upgrade to my rustbucket but gave up because of costs vs benefit. i went for a dumpster conversion instead, lost of course the flexibility of the chassis but for my use that will do. but i sure dont get 85kph out of my 180! 60 max. next time i get a belgian pritsche 404.0 with the pto.... best fred ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Kirk Haines Sent: Mon 8/30/2010 5:16 PM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: Re: [MOG] WD-40 fixes it? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Debros, Frederic M.,Md wrote: > you have an m130 and an m180....which one is faster and does it make a > difference? The M130. Hands down. The M180 was never a weak runner, but the M130 is great to drive. I have a self imposed speed limit of 80kph, generally. I might creep to 85kph now and again, but usually try to average no more than 80kph. So, either one will pull those speeds. The difference, though, is that I CAN go a lot faster a lot more easily with the M130. Where I notice it is hills. Driving around SE Wyoming, at altitudes of 4000-5000 feet, I don't need to downshift on any of the normal paved roads, and that makes driving it on the highway a lot nicer. I also have a 1972 250 sedan with an M130 in it, and while it won't snap your neck with acceleration, it is very nice to drive because it is very smooth power, and it seems like at any reasonable highway speeds it always has enough torque to go faster if needed for passing. However, you do pay for the M130 in your 404.1 in some other respects. The Zenith 35/40 INAT carbs from the sedans, that were the original equipment, are just monsters to try to get tuned if they are not adjusted right. Weber 32/36 DG*V carbs are, with the spacer kit from them, a very simple bolt-on upgrade, BUT you have to figure out how to make your throttle linkage work (the moggy one just doesn't work right with the Weber carbs), route a choke cable if you go with a manual choke (and I am still having problems with mine -- the cable needs to take a sharper turn than it wants to, so it binds up), and potentially deal with air cleaner fitment issues. Solve those things, and the Webers are great, at least for on-highway and modestly off-camber stuff. I haven't had the truck on anything with really wild angles to get a good sense of what the limits of the Webers are, though. The 32NDIX carbs from the M180 won't bolt directly up to the sedan manifolds. So, using them is an option only if one wants to do more work. They would have the advantage of having great off-camber behavior, but probably don't deliver quite the performance of the Webers. Also, there is a difference in heat production from the M130. It produces a LOT more. I had a faulty thermostat that was causing me to overheat grossly on even cool days, so I just yanked it out since right now the days are still quite warm, and now the truck will stay passably cool even on 100 degree days, so long as I'm not high revving too much at 1st or 2nd gear speeds. On my todo list before next summer, though, is to get a new radiator built, as the existing one (which was, from the looks of it, custom-cobbled for the truck after the engine was swapped) seems like it could be improved upon. I'm not sure if I'd do it for a truck that is going to see a lot of highway miles in order to get to places to drive offroad, or a lot of onroad use hauling things around, but for a more dedicated offroad rig, I would _seriously_ consider propane. I have a couple of engines -- an M180 with HC head and another M130, and I am considering making one of my trucks a dedicated offroad truck running on propane with either the HC head or an M130 swap. It would eliminate all those pesky carb/fuel pump issues, and would reliably run no matter how off camber the truck becomes. Kirk Haines 1960 German 404.1 w/ M130 1963 Swiss 404.1 w/ M180 _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. 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If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com From FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG Tue Aug 31 09:53:04 2010 From: FDEBROS at PARTNERS.ORG (Debros, Frederic M.,Md) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:53:04 -0400 Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint References:

<143BBDFD01DE430BA0064FB50BCD33BD@bulletbaron> Message-ID: it was the krylon camo can..., they do not have variations. yes it fades after a while, i tried to paint a platform with this stuff: disaster. it doesnt stick. but for touchups its unbeatable fred ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Unimog Sent: Tue 8/31/2010 9:27 AM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint Fred: Still waiting to hear from you concerning the "NAPA" Spray paint information, my local NAPA store advises me that have access to Krylon Brand paint, but I am hoping to get from you the exact item needed to match the faded paint of my 1963 Swiss 404!!! THANKS Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Debros, Frederic M.,Md To: Mog Mailing List Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOG] WD-40 fixes it? interesting, thanks. there are the 12.5r20 tires that will add oomph too on the highway. then there is the fuel injected m130 but then you get in trouble with not enough air ... i have toyed with the idea of an m130 upgrade to my rustbucket but gave up because of costs vs benefit. i went for a dumpster conversion instead, lost of course the flexibility of the chassis but for my use that will do. but i sure dont get 85kph out of my 180! 60 max. next time i get a belgian pritsche 404.0 with the pto.... best fred ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Kirk Haines Sent: Mon 8/30/2010 5:16 PM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: Re: [MOG] WD-40 fixes it? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Debros, Frederic M.,Md wrote: > you have an m130 and an m180....which one is faster and does it make a > difference? The M130. Hands down. The M180 was never a weak runner, but the M130 is great to drive. I have a self imposed speed limit of 80kph, generally. I might creep to 85kph now and again, but usually try to average no more than 80kph. So, either one will pull those speeds. The difference, though, is that I CAN go a lot faster a lot more easily with the M130. Where I notice it is hills. Driving around SE Wyoming, at altitudes of 4000-5000 feet, I don't need to downshift on any of the normal paved roads, and that makes driving it on the highway a lot nicer. I also have a 1972 250 sedan with an M130 in it, and while it won't snap your neck with acceleration, it is very nice to drive because it is very smooth power, and it seems like at any reasonable highway speeds it always has enough torque to go faster if needed for passing. However, you do pay for the M130 in your 404.1 in some other respects. The Zenith 35/40 INAT carbs from the sedans, that were the original equipment, are just monsters to try to get tuned if they are not adjusted right. Weber 32/36 DG*V carbs are, with the spacer kit from them, a very simple bolt-on upgrade, BUT you have to figure out how to make your throttle linkage work (the moggy one just doesn't work right with the Weber carbs), route a choke cable if you go with a manual choke (and I am still having problems with mine -- the cable needs to take a sharper turn than it wants to, so it binds up), and potentially deal with air cleaner fitment issues. Solve those things, and the Webers are great, at least for on-highway and modestly off-camber stuff. I haven't had the truck on anything with really wild angles to get a good sense of what the limits of the Webers are, though. The 32NDIX carbs from the M180 won't bolt directly up to the sedan manifolds. So, using them is an option only if one wants to do more work. They would have the advantage of having great off-camber behavior, but probably don't deliver quite the performance of the Webers. Also, there is a difference in heat production from the M130. It produces a LOT more. I had a faulty thermostat that was causing me to overheat grossly on even cool days, so I just yanked it out since right now the days are still quite warm, and now the truck will stay passably cool even on 100 degree days, so long as I'm not high revving too much at 1st or 2nd gear speeds. On my todo list before next summer, though, is to get a new radiator built, as the existing one (which was, from the looks of it, custom-cobbled for the truck after the engine was swapped) seems like it could be improved upon. I'm not sure if I'd do it for a truck that is going to see a lot of highway miles in order to get to places to drive offroad, or a lot of onroad use hauling things around, but for a more dedicated offroad rig, I would _seriously_ consider propane. I have a couple of engines -- an M180 with HC head and another M130, and I am considering making one of my trucks a dedicated offroad truck running on propane with either the HC head or an M130 swap. It would eliminate all those pesky carb/fuel pump issues, and would reliably run no matter how off camber the truck becomes. Kirk Haines 1960 German 404.1 w/ M130 1963 Swiss 404.1 w/ M180 _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. 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<3BF872B21A6C45FBBD6DA34403E52ECA@bulletbaron> Message-ID: any pics? if they are the smaller ovaloid type, in a black plastic case, they are the original. there is a clamp so they fit the swiss mog holder. i have the bigger metal encased ones, and for these there is a sleeve on the swissmog holder. i found an outfit that resilvers these for 40 dollars. before reassembling the resilvered devices and remounting, be sure to drill a small hole at the bottom of the metal case to let out moisture from condensation! ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Unimog Sent: Tue 8/31/2010 9:25 AM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: [MOG] Unimog Mirrors!? Offering for sale is a pair of: Mercedes Benz Unimog 404 416 Mirrors Military New I purchased them off of ebay (1904265114060 ) and they will not mount correctly on my Swiss Unit, most likely for a German unit!!. If anyone is interested, I am asking $50.00 for the pair and that includes UPS Shipping. I hope I am not violating any rules of this Forum, just selling items that I cannot use. Please advise me if I am!!! THANKS Dennis _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. From unimog at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 10:09:53 2010 From: unimog at comcast.net (Unimog) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:09:53 -0500 Subject: [MOG] Unimog Mirrors!? References:

<3BF872B21A6C45FBBD6DA34403E52ECA@bulletbaron> Message-ID: <686F8A53D10C410AAB5549E0114C2770@bulletbaron> Go to ebay and put in the auction number and you will see what I have. They do come with a sleeve, but the mirror's mounting system leaves them at a 45 degree angle with the Swiss Mirror brackets. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Debros, Frederic M.,Md To: Mog Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MOG] Unimog Mirrors!? any pics? if they are the smaller ovaloid type, in a black plastic case, they are the original. there is a clamp so they fit the swiss mog holder. i have the bigger metal encased ones, and for these there is a sleeve on the swissmog holder. i found an outfit that resilvers these for 40 dollars. before reassembling the resilvered devices and remounting, be sure to drill a small hole at the bottom of the metal case to let out moisture from condensation! ________________________________ From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com on behalf of Unimog Sent: Tue 8/31/2010 9:25 AM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: [MOG] Unimog Mirrors!? Offering for sale is a pair of: Mercedes Benz Unimog 404 416 Mirrors Military New I purchased them off of ebay (1904265114060 ) and they will not mount correctly on my Swiss Unit, most likely for a German unit!!. If anyone is interested, I am asking $50.00 for the pair and that includes UPS Shipping. I hope I am not violating any rules of this Forum, just selling items that I cannot use. Please advise me if I am!!! THANKS Dennis _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com From history at frii.com Tue Aug 31 11:10:40 2010 From: history at frii.com (history at frii.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:10:40 -0600 Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint Message-ID: <0f772c547ad7cb4707d33f470aeaa12b@localhost> Here's a locator to determine what stores near you carry KRYLON paint: http://www.krylon.com/locator/index.jsp But that doesn't mean they carry the whole product line. Joe 404.114 From bcaid at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 11:31:03 2010 From: bcaid at yahoo.com (William Caid) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:31:03 -0600 Subject: [MOG] Greetings from Show Low, AZ Message-ID: Moggers: We are nearing completion of our 6 month road trip. I have posted a set of new photos on http://www.billcaid.com/2010/HogHunting20100323/Part33/Part33.html that show recent adventures including our meeting with the Albuquerque moggers. Also, this photo set shows the wild area of central NM. Happy mogging. bc Bill Caid bcaid at yahoo.com (mobile) (c) 619-994-0458 From bf821 at lafn.org Tue Aug 31 09:53:49 2010 From: bf821 at lafn.org (Matt Oliphant & Nancy Pistole) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:53:49 -0700 Subject: [MOG] telescoping hydraulic ram woes Message-ID: I disconnected the hose from the hydraulic ram that operates the dump bed on my 416, and the bed would still not come down all the way (I pushed the little valve inside the quick release connecter to release any pressure and fluid still in the line). I reconnected everything and put the bed back up so I could securely lock it up. I noticed that all the smaller hydraulic cylinders went up normally, but the largest one (the one that won't go down all the way) went up last (it should go up first) and got stuck half way up and eventually went all the way up. So something is binding the largest cylinder. Now the questions: can these things be taken apart and rebuilt without some super expensive special tool that can't be made at home? Are the seals just o-rings? Matt From shane at beancounters.co.nz Tue Aug 31 18:03:18 2010 From: shane at beancounters.co.nz (Shane Durrant) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:03:18 +1200 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system In-Reply-To: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> Hi All! I have a couple of problems with the cooling system on my '68 Belgian 404. I had a pinhole leak on the header tank - we've had another go at soldering it up, but I am not certain it will be fixed properly. The first attempt stopped the water pouring out (it only leaks after 30min of carrying a heavy load, once the temp gets to about 85degC) but water spraying into the cab is not a good look. I haven't been out to test it since the second repair so don't know if it has been fixed. The cause was actually a crack in the tank, unfortunately too close to the seam to put on a patch and solder it down. If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? Or should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab (or from the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the heater core). Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it is difficult to determine where exactly the water came from - the hose or the element. Has anyone else had a heater core fail rather than the hoses? As the removal is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? Thanks Shane Durrant Wellington, NZ From bksadler at telus.net Tue Aug 31 18:44:40 2010 From: bksadler at telus.net (Brian K. Sadler) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:44:40 -0700 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system In-Reply-To: <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> Message-ID: <19740414201640.2C38036463E384D5@edmwaa03.telusplanet.net> Shane: suggest you contact your favourite Mog dealer. Scott Ingham, at [Google] does not show your parts on his exploded diagrams, but I'm sure he could source and provide. Optionally, [Google] list at least one valve, plus the heater core. I have previously seen a new header tank on in Lancashire, UK. Manfred Princz, if he does not have the stock, can locate most anything for a 404 through his sources in Germany. Of course, you will pay GBP instead of US dollars. Good Luck. Brian '63 Swiss 404 Gibsons, BC, Canada At 11:03 AM 9/1/2010 +1200, you wrote: >Hi All! > >If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? >Or should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? > >The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab >(or from the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the >heater core). Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it >is difficult to determine where exactly the water came from - the >hose or the element. Has anyone else had a heater core fail rather >than the hoses? As the removal is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. > >And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? > >Thanks >Shane Durrant >Wellington, NZ > From djmw at hawaiiantel.net Tue Aug 31 18:51:48 2010 From: djmw at hawaiiantel.net (Dayton Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:51:48 -1000 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system In-Reply-To: <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> Message-ID: <872628F2-7790-4785-919A-4BD728D24561@hawaiiantel.net> Aloha Shane, I have good used one. for $25 Shipping is gonna suck though. Dayton Jackson Hilo, Hawaii On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Shane Durrant wrote: > Hi All! > > I have a couple of problems with the cooling system on my '68 Belgian 404. I had a pinhole leak on the header tank - we've had another go at soldering it up, but I am not certain it will be fixed properly. The first attempt stopped the water pouring out (it only leaks after 30min of carrying a heavy load, once the temp gets to about 85degC) but water spraying into the cab is not a good look. I haven't been out to test it since the second repair so don't know if it has been fixed. The cause was actually a crack in the tank, unfortunately too close to the seam to put on a patch and solder it down. > > If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? Or should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? > > The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab (or from the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the heater core). Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it is difficult to determine where exactly the water came from - the hose or the element. Has anyone else had a heater core fail rather than the hoses? As the removal is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. > > And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? > > Thanks > Shane Durrant > Wellington, NZ > > > _______________________________________________ > Mog mailing list > Mog at tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com > brought to you by http://www.installer.com From djmw at hawaiiantel.net Tue Aug 31 18:56:11 2010 From: djmw at hawaiiantel.net (Dayton Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:56:11 -1000 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system In-Reply-To: <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> Message-ID: <6AC684D0-FBCD-4E2E-A4A9-88980BDA447E@hawaiiantel.net> Oh, I'm thinking the tank in the cab, with the pressure cap on it. That's what I've got a used one of.. On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Shane Durrant wrote: > Hi All! > > I have a couple of problems with the cooling system on my '68 Belgian 404. I had a pinhole leak on the header tank - we've had another go at soldering it up, but I am not certain it will be fixed properly. The first attempt stopped the water pouring out (it only leaks after 30min of carrying a heavy load, once the temp gets to about 85degC) but water spraying into the cab is not a good look. I haven't been out to test it since the second repair so don't know if it has been fixed. The cause was actually a crack in the tank, unfortunately too close to the seam to put on a patch and solder it down. > > If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? Or should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? > > The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab (or from the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the heater core). Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it is difficult to determine where exactly the water came from - the hose or the element. Has anyone else had a heater core fail rather than the hoses? As the removal is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. > > And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? > > Thanks > Shane Durrant > Wellington, NZ > > > _______________________________________________ > Mog mailing list > Mog at tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com > brought to you by http://www.installer.com From shane at beancounters.co.nz Tue Aug 31 19:10:20 2010 From: shane at beancounters.co.nz (Shane Durrant) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:10:20 +1200 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system In-Reply-To: <6AC684D0-FBCD-4E2E-A4A9-88980BDA447E@hawaiiantel.net> References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> <6AC684D0-FBCD-4E2E-A4A9-88980BDA447E@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <4FDA732007EC497D97F8F40B1D98F15B@Shane> Thanks Dayton, I'll keep it in mind if the repair is not successful. Airfreight wouldn't be too bad (it's all relative when everything has to travel a long way to get here anyway) as they don't weight that much. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dayton Jackson" To: "Mog Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [MOG] 404 Cooling system > Oh, > > I'm thinking the tank in the cab, with the pressure cap on it. > > That's what I've got a used one of.. > > On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Shane Durrant wrote: > >> Hi All! >> >> I have a couple of problems with the cooling system on my '68 Belgian >> 404. I had a pinhole leak on the header tank - we've had another go at >> soldering it up, but I am not certain it will be fixed properly. The >> first attempt stopped the water pouring out (it only leaks after 30min of >> carrying a heavy load, once the temp gets to about 85degC) but water >> spraying into the cab is not a good look. I haven't been out to test it >> since the second repair so don't know if it has been fixed. The cause was >> actually a crack in the tank, unfortunately too close to the seam to put >> on a patch and solder it down. >> >> If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? Or >> should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? >> >> The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab (or >> from the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the heater core). >> Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it is difficult to >> determine where exactly the water came from - the hose or the element. >> Has anyone else had a heater core fail rather than the hoses? As the >> removal is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. >> >> And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? >> >> Thanks >> Shane Durrant >> Wellington, NZ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mog mailing list >> Mog at tx4x4.com >> http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com >> http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com >> brought to you by http://www.installer.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Mog mailing list > Mog at tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com > brought to you by http://www.installer.com From scott at expedition-imports.com Tue Aug 31 19:17:23 2010 From: scott at expedition-imports.com (Scott Ingham) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:17:23 -0700 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system In-Reply-To: <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> Message-ID: <007201cb496b$0d318ab0$2794a010$@com> Hi Shane, Your parts requested are readily available. On the header tank, take Dayton's offer of a used one for $25 as that is a screaming good deal. For a NOS Tank with Cap you are looking at about $300. (Just recently got some more of these.) Can't touch Dayton's price on our used ones. New Heater Valves are in stock and run $24, Heater Cores $128 We normally see leaks coming from the connections to the heater core and not necessarily the core itself. Depending upon your condition of rot, we do have the complete heater assemblies.....heater box, radiator core, fan motor, tubes, shroud, etc. Pretty reasonable if you were to add up the individual prices. Cheers Scott Ingham Expedition Imports 225 Bennett Ave., Ste A Vallejo, CA 94590 Phone - 707-643-6757 Fax - 707-643-2998 www.expedition-imports.com -----Original Message----- From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of Shane Durrant Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:03 PM To: Mog Mailing List Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system Hi All! I have a couple of problems with the cooling system on my '68 Belgian 404. I had a pinhole leak on the header tank - we've had another go at soldering it up, but I am not certain it will be fixed properly. The first attempt stopped the water pouring out (it only leaks after 30min of carrying a heavy load, once the temp gets to about 85degC) but water spraying into the cab is not a good look. I haven't been out to test it since the second repair so don't know if it has been fixed. The cause was actually a crack in the tank, unfortunately too close to the seam to put on a patch and solder it down. If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? Or should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab (or from the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the heater core). Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it is difficult to determine where exactly the water came from - the hose or the element. Has anyone else had a heater core fail rather than the hoses? As the removal is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? Thanks Shane Durrant Wellington, NZ _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com From cfjones at clearwire.net Tue Aug 31 19:37:00 2010 From: cfjones at clearwire.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:37:00 -0700 Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system References: <220101.35024.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74E90CE9D7EE4F17B6C061441FE264A5@Shane> Message-ID: <001001cb496d$ccbe0820$0502a8c0@pc> Hmm, two problems that are coolant leaks, and at least one is related to a fully-heated engine. You do need to fix or replace your leaking parts, but think about the possibility that they could have been caused by a faulty cap, or by a plugged relief line causing too much pressure in your cooling system. You probably know this, but as the coolant heats, it expands, and increases the pressure in the air cushion in the dash-mounted expansion tank. The cap is designed to vent pressure out a small line that you can locate with a flashlight. Try blowing air through that line to make sure it is not plugged. If it is not plugged, and you have a spare radiator cap, try that. If you don't have a spare cap, and don't want to purchase one for trouble-shooting purposes, install a pressure guage anywhere in your system to see if the existing cap is the problem. The cap is supposed to vent at .4 atmospheres (less than 6psi), so if you start to see much more than that, I'd replace the cap. Good luck with your fixin'. Frank in Wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Durrant" To: "Mog Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: [MOG] 404 Cooling system > Hi All! > > I have a couple of problems with the cooling system on my '68 Belgian 404. > I had a pinhole leak on the header tank - we've had another go at > soldering it up, but I am not certain it will be fixed properly. The first > attempt stopped the water pouring out (it only leaks after 30min of > carrying a heavy load, once the temp gets to about 85degC) but water > spraying into the cab is not a good look. I haven't been out to test it > since the second repair so don't know if it has been fixed. The cause was > actually a crack in the tank, unfortunately too close to the seam to put > on a patch and solder it down. > > If it is still a problem, does anyone have a header tank for sale? Or > should I consider a radiator upgrade to overflow tank and pressure cap? > > The second issue is that I have a leak from the heater in the cab (or from > the perished hoses that connect the steel pipes to the heater core). > Because of the corrosion on the heater sheetmetal it is difficult to > determine where exactly the water came from - the hose or the element. Has > anyone else had a heater core fail rather than the hoses? As the removal > is awkward, I'd rather only replace it once. > > And does anyone have the heater isolation valves available? > > Thanks > Shane Durrant > Wellington, NZ > > > _______________________________________________ > Mog mailing list > Mog at tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com > http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com > brought to you by http://www.installer.com From history at frii.com Tue Aug 31 21:18:05 2010 From: history at frii.com (history at frii.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:18:05 -0600 Subject: [MOG] NAPA Paint, now KRYLON at Wal-Mart Message-ID: Hello Fellow Mog Painters, My local NAPA didn't have the KRYLON camo paint, nor did the first half dozen or so other places I called. I happened to talk with Michael Smith from Unipaser, and he suggested wal-mart. They had it. I tested it on the side of the 1963 swiss troop carrier mog, and it looks like a great color match! Thanks to those who pointed it out! Joe Cheyenne From scaddan at pacifier.com Tue Aug 31 23:10:55 2010 From: scaddan at pacifier.com (Robert S. Cascaddan) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:10:55 -0700 Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ???? In-Reply-To: References: <000101cb4736$03b76db0$0b264910$@com> Message-ID: <000001cb498b$ad9695c0$08c3c140$@com> I miss the Northwest. Anyway, I just replaced my old `84 Goldwing commuter with a 2008 KLR 650 with just over 3,000 miles on it. It had been dropped in the dirt a couple of times. I paid $2,900 for it. I will be spending another $1,000 on Jessie bags. I could have gotten a 1-2 year old KLR 650 that had not been dropped and had under 2,000 miles for under $4,000. There was also a BMW R850R with 32,000 miles for $3,250 it did not have hard bags or heated handgrips, however. There was a BWM R100/7 with hard bags for $2,700 that was sold the night before I called. There was also a Suzuki DR650 with under 2,000 miles for a similar amount. There were many others. If you look, there are deals out there. October is when prices are best. I found 2/3rds of these deals on Craigslist. I found the rest on ebay and the Internet BMW Riders Marketplace. Bob -----Original Message----- From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of David Ashley Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:15 AM To: 'Mog Mailing List' Subject: Re: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ???? Robert, Paul, Jim, Rick, Francis and everyone else thank you for the support of information and links. I should have mentioned that in years past I have commuted about 53,000 miles worth up and down i5 and I405 in the Seattle area on a K1200LT "Think big like a gold wing" bike. Honestly the biggest advantage in the Seattle area with a motorcycle is the ability to ride in the carpool lane. Unfortunately WA has a law against sharing a lane with someone so it kind of makes lane splitting not so legal, but on the odd occasion I have passed the inattentive cager. Unfortunately a bike .. any bike is still at least 6 months away unless I find a screaming deal but knowing where to go and look is nice. I may also end up with a TDI or maybe even renting an apt closer to work just to save my sanity. Carpooling maybe an option but the work schedule is going to be a pain with monthly changes. In the meantime I will read up on some of these great sites.. and keep my eyes open. Thanks again to the list and everyone for their help on this issue and Unimog issues. David Ashley 87 U1250 VL -----Original Message----- From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Cascaddan Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:53 PM To: 'Mog Mailing List' Subject: Re: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ???? I commute year-round on a motorcycle. I live in the Inland Empire of Southern California and have been on a motorcycle in rain, in temperatures down to the teens, with ice on the ground, and in the heat of the Coachella Valley in the summertime. I don't own a BMW 1200 GS Adventure, but I have ridden it and it is the bike I would like to own when I can afford it. (I just replaced a dead `84 Goldwing with a 2008 KLR 650.) I used to work as a motorcycle courier and have lane-split more miles than most people ride in their entire life. I have owned a couple of older BMW's and am a big fan of them. They are the only motorcycle built specifically for commuting. I think that a motorcycle is the only way to commute in Southern California. It does require a certain level of commitment, however. Hit me off-list, and I will be glad to go into more detail. Bob scaddan at verizon.com -----Original Message----- From: mog-bounces at tx4x4.com [mailto:mog-bounces at tx4x4.com] On Behalf Of David Ashley Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:12 AM To: 'Mog Mailing List' Subject: [MOG] BMW 1200 GS Adventure ???? I know this isn't exactly Unimog topic but with an upcoming employment option I'm looking at 100+ mile a day in commuting and I'm thinking a Bike maybe more of a friend then my 3500 Dully dodge LOL I know someone here must ride and or read about the BMW 1200 GS Adventure and must know of a few web site to recommend for reading? David Ashley 87 U1250 VL _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com _______________________________________________ Mog mailing list Mog at tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/listinfo/mog_tx4x4.com http://tx4x4.com/mailman/options/mog_tx4x4.com brought to you by http://www.installer.com